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Baumgart, Doyle Propose Gun Ban
Wisconsin Senator Dave Zien ^ | January 17, 2002 | State Senator, Dave Zien, Press Release

Posted on 01/20/2002 4:46:48 PM PST by CFW

Baumgart, Doyle Propose Gun Ban

Pump Shotguns and Most Other Firearms Banned

Virtually every gun used to hunt in Wisconsin would be illegal to use under a bill authored by Senator Jim Baumgart at the request Attorney General Jim Doyle. The supposed terrorism legislation would outlaw the use of any pump, lever or bolt action rifle or shotgun as well as any revolver or semi-automatic firearm for hunting, self-defense or target practice.

In fact, only single-shot firearms, less than one-percent of all firearms, could be used by anyone except law enforcement and the military. Anyone using a firearm that holds more than one bullet or even owning a single bullet would be guilty of a Felony.

“If Baumgart and Doyle get their way, every hunter in Wisconsin would be an instant criminal, facing prison and a lifetime loss of voting rights,” said state Senator Dave Zien (R-Wheaton).

“Reloading your own shotgun shells could send you to prison for 15-years.” Rather than ban firearms outright, Doyle and Baumgart ban all types of ammunition by defining the bullet as both a “destructive device” and an “explosive,” the gunpowder as an “explosive” and even the tiny primer that ignites every bullet is specifically called a “detonator.”

Owning, possessing or using any of these items would be a felony offense, unless the citizens could prove they were only for use in “firearms that are designed to shoot no more than one shot without manual reloading” (i.e. single shot firearms).

“Can you imagine a Wisconsin elected official outlawing the use every pump shotgun and labeling every duck hunter a terrorist?” asked Zien. “Maybe the Attorney General should concentrate on the real terrorists and leave law-abiding gun owners alone.”

The bill even goes as far as allowing photographs of a person with banned material to be used as evidence of a crime. “This will make the picture of a hunter with her Remington 870 and a trophy buck evidence of terrorist activity,” said Zien.

In 1998, Wisconsin voters amended the state Constitution to protect the right of law-abiding citizens to posses and use firearms. Because the Constitution prevents Doyle from banning the gun, the only way he can deny hunters the use of their guns is to ban the ammunition.

“It is no wonder people are cynical about their government,” said Zien, author of Wisconsin’s Right to Keep and Bear Arms. “When the attorney charged with upholding our Constitution deliberately tries to thwart that Constitution and deny the will of the people, it gives all public servants a bad name.”

Information on the Attorney General’s website describing the points of Doyle’s “Anti-Terrorism Legislative Package” mentions nothing about the gun ban provisions. Zien noted the information distributed to legislators also mentioned nothing about the bans. Doyle can only propose the language to legislators. The legislative author (Baumgart) takes whatever he chooses from Doyle’s draft and introduces his own bill.

Baumgart likewise mentions nothing about the bans in his memo to legislators asking them to join as cosponsors of his bill.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
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To: Buckeroo
Molon labe bump
21 posted on 01/20/2002 5:16:37 PM PST by Noumenon
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To: Husker24
If they can ban one type successfully, what's to stop them from banning another. The 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting anyway.
22 posted on 01/20/2002 5:16:47 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Noumenon
Bump backattcha!
23 posted on 01/20/2002 5:21:41 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: Godebert
If they can ban one type successfully, what's to stop them from banning another. The 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting anyway.

Exactly. And one of the arguments that gun-grabbers use is, "No one needs to hunt anymore. Get your food from the grocery store. No one needs guns."

That has NOTHING to do with it.

Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. Federalist Papers

24 posted on 01/20/2002 5:25:36 PM PST by CFW
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To: Pissed Off Janitor
9/11 changed nothing...

Unfortunately it changed alot.
Now you have people demanding that the government take their freedoms away in the name of "security".

At this time, when you enter an airport, you are considered to be a potential criminal.
This is just the begining.

25 posted on 01/20/2002 5:31:20 PM PST by sport
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To: Buckeroo
If California politicians really believed their own rhetoric, they'd disarm the cops and give up their own guns too!
26 posted on 01/20/2002 5:39:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: sport
cross linking
27 posted on 01/20/2002 5:40:36 PM PST by CFW
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To: CFW
“If Baumgart and Doyle get their way, every hunter in Wisconsin would be an instant criminal, facing prison and a lifetime loss of voting rights,” said state Senator Dave Zien (R-Wheaton).

Wrong, Mr. Zien!!! Any legislator who signed his name to this piece of trash would be an instant criminal by virtue of breaking his sworn oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.

IMO

28 posted on 01/20/2002 5:41:36 PM PST by pa_dweller
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To: muawiyah
They can't do that. They are too busy protecting illegal aliens.
29 posted on 01/20/2002 5:44:21 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: CFW
Does Wisconsin have any history of politicians being hanged by irate citizens? If not, something unprecedented may be about to happen there.
30 posted on 01/20/2002 5:46:11 PM PST by Twodees
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To: Twodees
Maybe we should start letting state Senator Dave Zien (R-Wheaton) that we support him nationwide. A little positive feedback can go a long way.
31 posted on 01/20/2002 5:49:46 PM PST by CFW
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To: Godebert
I hate to say it, but your right. Law makers and law enforcement expect that the "law abiding" citizen will "do the right thing" and obey the laws. In the mean time the law makers continue to put it up our a$$es and break it off.

How long and what's it gonna take before we stand for (and take back) what is rightfully ours. Namely our Constitutional Rights and ultimately - our FREEDOM.

32 posted on 01/20/2002 6:17:42 PM PST by Jasper
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To: CFW
... I'm sure hoping you folks wake upi and get rid of these politicians. NOW!
33 posted on 01/20/2002 6:19:05 PM PST by RKBA_Champ
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To: Jasper
your = you're
34 posted on 01/20/2002 6:20:19 PM PST by Jasper
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To: sport
One reason I personally refuse to fly through any airport "controlling" access to the air. I am not a prisoner or serf in my own homeland, am I? I refuse to be disarmed of my fingernail clipper and Leatherman tool for the pleasure of flying on an airplane. Anyone who thinks airport security is anything other than the biggest oxymoron to this date is either a fool, or unaware of what goes on outside of the narrow confines of a passenger terminal.
35 posted on 01/20/2002 6:44:47 PM PST by wita
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To: Husker24
Banning assault weapons is one thing, banning virtually every weapnon is another.

Care to explain the difference? How about just defining "assault weapon"?

Take your time. I can wait.

36 posted on 01/20/2002 6:51:37 PM PST by Pistolshot
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To: wita
I agree.

The Constitution reads that until it has been proven to the exclusion of reasonable doubt, we have the right to be presumed innocent of comitting a crime.

Once you enter airport property, this is not true.

37 posted on 01/20/2002 6:56:27 PM PST by sport
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To: CFW
Oh my G-d. This is disgusting. I always knew Doyle was a maniac, but this is bad. He has just locked up the Democratic Nomination for governor with this, and I hope sealed his own defeat. The scary thing is though, that crap like this will be praised by liberals and gun-grabbers.
38 posted on 01/20/2002 7:08:17 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat
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To: Husker24
What is an assault weapon??????
39 posted on 01/20/2002 7:11:58 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: NWU Army ROTC
Doyle is running for governor?

I LIKE to think that Wisconsin is at least like Michigan on guns. He probably will be knocked off in the primary if it's an open primary.

40 posted on 01/20/2002 7:13:25 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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