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To: annalex
The dismissal of cultural issues as another negative effect of the commons often looks like plain evasion. It doesn't offer any guidance to a present-day libertarian politician in a non-libertarian world; since the public increasingly views the cultural issues as pivotal in determining how it votes, it is no wonder that libertarians win so few elections.

Although I disagree with several points of this article, this statement is extremely perceptive. The Libertarian Party cannot succeed in a democratic government, period. Democracy, by its nature, collectivizes property and moves everything into the public square. The failure of the Libertarian Party to take a firm stance on issues of culture makes them a party with no issues stance at all.

On the other hand, the libertarian is quite correct that the controversy surrounding cultural issues is a direct outgrowth of the existence of the commons. Obviously, it is a tragedy if the community is balkanized by a holiday display that contains a sap to every philosophy under the sun. No meaningful community can come from a "celebration of diversity" -- for that is a celebration of disagreement, of un-likeness. But if only the dominant members of a community are given a voice, the minority is now supporting a commons that does nothing for them. Neither of these situations is just and arguing over which view of the commons is "less unjust" is worthless.

Minority groups were able to flee a poorly run commons in the past. But as America's frontier closed, the cost of moving away from bad government began to exceed the gain. Since secession is unavailable as an option, the underrepresented minorities now began to agitate for more say in how the commons was used. The civil rights movement can be seen as a direct result of the closed frontier combined with the perceived illegitimacy of secession. The ongoing culture wars are part of this process.

As one the Founders pointed out (perhaps someone can remind me which one), there has never been a Democracy that did not destroy itself. Modern America is in the process of proving that. Essentially, those who consider the rights of the minority paramount will have victories until they have purged the culture of any real substance. Then those who consider the rights of the majority to have been disregarded will "restore order." Decadence will be followed by Dictatorship.

Anyone wanting to break this cycle will first have to admit that society does not need "areas of open access where various cultural players can project messages across property lines." Property defines boundaries, it makes the distinction between what is respectful and what is disrespectful clear.

Free Republic itself is a clear example of this ideal. FR is a forum of ideas, but it has rules of decorum and clear standards. This is precisely because FR is not a commons. The fact that FR is privately owned doesn't diminish its capacity to be a place where "cultural players can project messages" but it does allow for a just means of regulating how those messages are projected -- a feat which a commons in fundamentally incapable of producing.

5 posted on 01/20/2002 3:41:49 PM PST by Entelechy
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To: Entelechy; yall
This one line of yours struck me as sort of defining our constitutional issue here:

"Essentially, those who consider the rights of the minority paramount will have victories until they have purged the culture of any real substance."

I have seen no such decadence, no 'purging of substance' taking place, yet the majority is very busy 'restoring order', and on the road to dictatorship, imo.

Our republic is set up, supposedly, to defend everyones rights against all tyranny, -- even a so-called benign tyranny of the majority. This constitutional principle is being ignored.

12 posted on 01/21/2002 4:42:21 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Entelechy
Anyone wanting to break this cycle will first have to admit that society does not need "areas of open access where various cultural players can project messages across property lines."

Free people in a free society will quickly make a public square out of nothing, because they will attempt to make conversations, exchange messages and do commerce. Regardless of who owns the physical square, the issues of cultural offence will not go away. For example, shopping malls (even the areas between individual stores) are private property. What does it change in terms of what is and what isn't allowed in those passageways? Precisely nothing. If a mall restricts some expressions -- for example, a political demonstration or an art show -- people just go somewhere else to do those things, and the owner of that place will face the same dilemmas of cultural policy the city government faces today.

17 posted on 01/21/2002 10:01:38 AM PST by annalex
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To: Entelechy
As one the Founders pointed out (perhaps someone can remind me which one), there has never been a Democracy that did not destroy itself.

"Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."
James Madison, Federalist No. 10, (1787)

46 posted on 01/21/2002 2:14:54 PM PST by philman_36
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