No liberal order received the same treatment as the FSSP, especially considering the things some liberal orders have done. I suggest you read up on it.
And BTW, if you think the Vatican is cracking down on modernist heretics, you are deluding yourself. Why is Richard McBrien rountinly allowed to publish heresy in diocesan newspapers around the country? Why is nothing done about American Bishops such as Weekland and Mahony flagrently violating liturgical rules and rubrics and promoting heresy at in their seminaries and convents? You can count the number of modernists cracked down upon by the Vatican since the 1960's, but those left unmolested number in the hundreds.
You cannot avoid the facts: two key measures of the health of the Church, vocations mass attendence, declined drastically after Varican 2.In the US and other Western countries, true. Vocations (or at least seminarians) are now at a higher level then pre V2 worldwide, though they haven’t risen back to pre V2 levels here in the US.
Now that doesn't necessarily mean they were all caused by Vatican 2 and the fabrication of a new rite of mass, as Cardinal Raztinger puts it, but it sure looks suspicious if you ask me.I’m relatively comfortable that the new Rite played a factor, the question to me is how much of one. I think its biggest problems stem from the translation into the vernacular, I can’t believe it was approved by the Vatican back then. The perversion of V2 by the libs caused problems as well. I’ve read the documents from the Council though, and there isn’t much in there to support the things the libs do. Bishops who stayed faithful to what the Council said and what JPII is doing have plenty of vocations. It’s the dioceses that don’t that have problems, like you mentioned, places with Weaklands and Mahoneys.
No liberal order received the same treatment as the FSSP, especially considering the things some liberal orders have done. I suggest you read up on it.My friend, I have read up on it. Should you think there is something I might have missed, feel free to point it out but it is likely I have seen it. I have also heard things about some of the liberals. I’m not going to argue over this as its just getting to be a spitting match, but sometimes it’s not just your friends who get pissed on, though that is what gets noticed. Especially when a group like the Society tries to make a big deal out of it to keep their own faithful on the Res.
And BTW, if you think the Vatican is cracking down on modernist heretics, you are deluding yourself. Why is Richard McBrien rountinly allowed to publish heresy in diocesan newspapers around the country?You first complain about the Vatican intervening in a worldwide order that exists solely because the Vatican approved it in the first place, and then you complain because the Vatican does not intervene in a plethora of Bishop’s personal newspapers? Last time I checked the Vatican wasn’t supervising what the Fraternity puts in its newsletter either, have I missed something? I doubt it, the Vatican doesn’t have the time to intervene to this level.
Why is nothing done about American Bishops such as Weekland and Mahony flagrently violating liturgical rules and rubrics and promoting heresy at in their seminaries and convents?I don’t know. This is something that does bug me, but you have to recognize it is different then the Fraternity. The Fraternity is not a Cardinal with its own geographic jurisdiction, the traditions (customs) of how you deal with each are just very different.
You can count the number of modernists cracked down upon by the Vatican since the 1960's, but those left unmolested number in the hundreds.They will die off, we won’t. I agree, I wish more were shut down.
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