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1 posted on 01/14/2002 9:50:17 AM PST by Junior
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To: crevo_list
A "More Red Meat" bump ...
2 posted on 01/14/2002 9:52:56 AM PST by Junior
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To: Junior
A "24 crevo threads in 14 days" bump.

  1. (2002-01-01) Conservatives, Darwin & Design: An Exchange

  2. (2002-01-01) Design Yes, Intelligent No

  3. (2002-01-01) Intelligent Design As a Theory of Technological Evolution

  4. (2002-01-07) Genetic Marker Tells Squash Domestication Story

  5. (2002-01-07) SNPs as Windows on Evolution

  6. (2002-01-07) Supreme Court Won't Hear Case on Teaching Evolution

  7. (2002-01-07) Universe Of Life: Maybe Not, A

  8. (2002-01-07) What Every Theologian Should Know about Creation, Evolution, and Design

  9. (2002-01-08) Democratization of Science, The

  10. (2002-01-08) Progressive Creationism

  11. (2002-01-08) Universe Might Last Forever, Astronomers Say, but Life Might Not, The

  12. (2002-01-09) Life On Other Planets? Vatican Aide Ponders The Possibility

  13. (2002-01-09) New Theory Suggests Start of Universe

  14. (2002-01-09) Primordial Air May Have Been "Breathable"

  15. (2002-01-09) What Would Newton Do?

  16. (2002-01-10) Clear Evidence for Creation

  17. (2002-01-10) How STILL Not to Debate Intelligent Design (Liars for Evolution)

  18. (2002-01-10) New Theory on Big Bang

  19. (2002-01-10) Study: Neanderthals, Modern Humans Same Species

  20. (2002-01-10) Taking Wing:  A New View of the Origin of Bird Flight Emerges

  21. (2002-01-11) Stone indicates earlier 'human' behavior

  22. (2002-01-13) From scientist to saint: does Darwin deserve a day?

  23. (2002-01-14) creationism and creation science

  24. (2002-01-14) Who let the dogs out?


4 posted on 01/14/2002 10:37:14 AM PST by Junior
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“I can envision observations and experiments that would disprove any evolutionary theory I know,” writes Gould,

I don't think I have ever read anywhere but here that evolution is a fact, just as I have never seen a fossil that was clearly a bridge between species. It would certainly seem Gould is unwilling to make such a claim as well.

“but I cannot imagine what potential data could lead creationists to abandon their beliefs. Unbeatable systems are dogma, not science”

Can any one reading this imagine any argument or demonstration that would cause an "evolutionist" to doubt his sacred cow?

5 posted on 01/14/2002 10:50:09 AM PST by ventana
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To: Vaderetro; jennyp; owk; thinkplease; longshadow; radioastronomer
Bump-o-ramma!
8 posted on 01/14/2002 10:59:21 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Junior
Another bump.
11 posted on 01/14/2002 11:41:15 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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These people never quit, positing anyone who dare question evolution as a creationist. The fact is that 99.9% of the scientific community do not accept evolution as a scientific fact. After 150 years, not a single series of fossils have been found that demonstrate a gradual mutation of one species into a completely different species. This would require such gradual changes as one sees in the frames of a movie. No scientist, or group of scientists, or all scientists together, have put together such a gradual mutative change. Rather, changes are by great leaps, which modern evolutionists admit, and for mating purposes, such leaps would have to occur simultaneously in two animals. This is what Darwinists have to explain before their theory becomes a fact. That such leaps occur replies as much faith in their "science" as does the creationists faith in their "science." If you read Gould, even Darwin, carefully, they admit the limitations of the theory, but those limitations are not widely taught. If you want to hear them in the Darwinist's own words, read Phillip Johnson's, Darwin on Trial.
27 posted on 01/16/2002 4:55:31 PM PST by stryker
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To: Junior
Evolution is a faith based system
29 posted on 01/16/2002 5:10:41 PM PST by marbren
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To: Junior
Creation Science is a pseudoscientific theory which claims that ...(b) Genesis is incompatible with the Big Bang theory

There are others besides creationists who question the Big Bang Theory. Just about every year someone comes up with a new dark matter, black hole, brane, etc., that they say questions the Big Bang theory, or so challenges tenets of it as to make it indescribably different.

If challenging = pseudo-science, then deciding = faith. I'd prefer to call things on some scale such as first, second, third order theories. Call the Big Bang a 1st order theory. Call this "brane theory" a 2nd order theory. Call creationism a fourth order theory. Call the world is carried on the back of a giant turtle a 100th order theory. I don't see anything, except propaganda, aided by different sides using emotionalism against opposing theories.

From Space.com, 13 Apr 2001, "Faster than you can say "Ekpyrotic Universe," a movement has taken hold -- albeit like fingers on a ledge of eternal skepticism -- that would blow one of the basic tenets of the Big Bang to smithereens. Think parallel branes and five dimensions. Science never sounded so cool. The new idea would not replace the Big Bang, which has for more than 50 years dominated cosmologists' thinking over how the universe began and evolved. But instead of a universe springing forth in a violent instant from an infinitely small point of infinite density, the new view argues that our universe was created when two parallel "membranes" collided cataclysmically after evolving slowly in five-dimensional space over an exceedingly long period of time. These membranes, or "branes" as theorists call them, would have floated like sheets of paper through a fifth dimension that even scientists admit they find hard to picture intuitively. (Our conventional view of 3-D physical space, along with time, make up the four known dimensions.) "It's almost crazy enough to be correct

33 posted on 01/17/2002 3:27:33 AM PST by xzins
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