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To: UnBlinkingEye
The Beatles = A very early model for N Sync, Boyz-2-Men, Menudo, Backstreet Boys, Duran Duran, New Edition, etc., etc., etc. Find some cute, semi-talented guys, put them together into a band making pre-fab music, market them to 7th grade girls, make money, disperse and let the guys try it on their own. Now they're starting with the girls; see Britney Spears.

Flame away.

27 posted on 01/13/2002 11:28:28 AM PST by geaux
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To: geaux
The Beatles = A very early model for N Sync, Boyz-2-Men, Menudo, Backstreet Boys, Duran Duran, New Edition, etc., etc., etc. Find some cute, semi-talented guys, put them together into a band making pre-fab music, market them to 7th grade girls, make money, disperse and let the guys try it on their own.

The difference between the Beatles and most, if not all of the others you mention, is that they came together on their own initiative, wrote their own songs and played their own instruments. They also had a much greater impact on the world as whole than any of the other groups.

36 posted on 01/13/2002 11:43:26 AM PST by UnBlinkingEye
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To: geaux
The Beatles = A very early model for N Sync, Boyz-2-Men, Menudo, Backstreet Boys, Duran Duran, New Edition, etc., etc., etc. Find some cute, semi-talented guys, put them together into a band making pre-fab music, market them to 7th grade girls, make money, disperse and let the guys try it on their own.

Question: Did the 'NSyncs, et.al., slog away for the better part of seven years, from the time they were teenagers, in some of the seediest dives and roughest halls in Liverpool and Hamburg grinding it out for sometimes four or even five sets a night? And as for "pre-fab" music, be advised that, from practically the outset, the Beatles insisted on their own compositions going onto their singles. (It should be noted that the few non-Beatle-written songs which made it as hit singles happened in the U.S., at the behest of their American record labels: "Twist and Shout" most famously, but also a Carl Perkins rewrite of an ancient Blind Lemon Jefferson blues, "Matchbox," and their rippling version of Larry Williams's "Slow Down". "Act Naturally," a Russell-Morrison song which Buck Owens had made a country hit, was put on the flip of "Yesterday" and, unlike other Beatle singles, didn't chart in its own right. In England, in those years, extended-play singles of four songs each were often released to help promote albums; the Beatles once in awhile included a cover version on these, such as their version of Chuck Berry's "Rock and Roll Music" appearing on an EP single telegraphing Beatles for Sale)

The mania they provoked from 1964-66 makes it only too easy to forget that the Beatles were no overnight sensation; they had (as the saying used to go) paid their dues with interest, before an obscure kid wandered into a Liverpool record shop in late 1961, asked for a record the Beatles had cut backing another British singer in Germany (legendary conductor Bert Kaempfert - who later produced Frank Sinatra's "comeback," "Strangers In The Night" - produced the session), and piqued the shop owner's curiosity enough that by early 1962 he became the Beatles' manager. And I doubt sincerely that, forty years hence, a CD gathering up 'NSync's number one hits (they may not even rack up enough to fill out a full CD) will sell comparably to what their albums sold a couple of years ago.

No flame. Fact.
38 posted on 01/13/2002 11:47:51 AM PST by BluesDuke
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To: geaux
The Beatles and the Aquarian Conspiracy

An outstanding example of social conditioning to accept change, even when it is recognized as unwelcome change by the large population group in the sights of Stanford Research Institute, was the "advent" of the BEATLES. The Beatles were brought to the United States as part of a social experiment which would subject large population groups to brainwashing of which they were not even aware.

When Tavistock brought the Beatles to the United States nobody could have imagined the cultural disaster that was to follow in their wake. The Beatles were an integral part of "THE AQUARIAN CONSPIRACY," a living organism which sprang From "THE CHANGING IMAGES OF MAN," URH (489)-2150-Policy Research Report No. 4/4/74. Policy Report pre-pared by SRI Center for the study of Social Policy, Director, Professor Willis Harmon.

The phenomenon of the Beatles was not a spontaneous rebellion by youth against the old social system. Instead it was a carefully crafted plot to introduce by a conspiratorial body which could not be identified, a highly destructive and divisive element into a large population group targeted for change against its will. New words and new phrases--prepared by Tavistock(1)-- were introduced to America along with the Beatles. Words such as "rock" in relation to music sounds, "teenager," "cool," "discovered" and "pop music" were a lexicon of disguised code words signifying the acceptance of drugs and arrived with and accompanied the Beatles wherever they went, to be "discovered" by "teenagers." Incidentally, the word "teenagers" was never used until just before the Beatles arrived on the scene, courtesy of the Tavistock Institute for Human Relations.

As in the case of gang wars, nothing could or would have been accomplished without the cooperation of the media, especially the electronic media and, in particular, the scurrilous Ed Sullivan who had been coached by the conspirators as to the role he was to play. Nobody would have paid much attention to the motley crew from Liverpool and the 12-atonal system of "music" that was to follow had it not been for an overabundance of press exposure. The 12-atonal system consisted of heavy, repetitive sounds, taken from the music of the cult of Dionysus and the Baal priesthood by Adorno and given a "modern" flavor by this special friend of the Queen of England and hence the Committee of 300.

Tavistock and its Stanford Research Center created trigger words which then came into general usage around "rock music" and its fans. Trigger words created a distinct new break-away largely young population group which was persuaded by social engineering and conditioning to believe that the Beatles really were their favorite group. All trigger words devised in the context of "rock music" were designed for mass control of the new targeted group, the youth of America.

The Beatles did a perfect job, or perhaps it would be more correct to say that Tavistock and Stanford did a perfect job, the Beatles merely reacting like trained robots "with a little help from their friends"--code words for using drugs and making it "cool." The Beatles became a highly visible "new type"-- more Tavistock jargon--and as such it was not long before the group made new styles (fads in clothing, hairstyles and language usage) which upset the older generation, as was intended. This was part of the "fragmentation-maladaptation" process worked out by Willis Harmon and his team of social scientists and genetic engineering tinkerers and put into action.

The role of the print and electronic media in our society is crucial to the success of brainwashing large population groups. Gang wars ended in Los Angeles in 1966 as the media withdrew its coverage. The same thing will happen with the current wave of gang wars in Los Angeles. Street gangs will wither on the vine once media saturation coverage is toned down and then completely withdrawn. As in 1966, the issue would become "burned out." Street gangs will have served their purpose of creating turbulence and insecurity. Exactly the same pattern will be followed in the case of "rock" music. Deprived of media attention, it will eventually take its place in history.

Following the Beatles, who incidentally were put together by the Tavistock Institute, came other "Made in England" rock groups, who, like the Beatles, had Theo Adorno write their cult lyrics and compose all the "music." I hate to use these beautiful words in the context of "Beatlemania"; it reminds me of how wrongly the word "lover" is used when referring to the filthy interaction between two homosexuals writhing in pigswill. To call "rock" music, is an insult, likewise the language used in "rock lyrics."

Tavistock and Stanford Research then embarked on the second phase of the work commissioned by the Committee of 300. This new phase turned up the heat for social change in America. As quickly as the Beatles had appeared on the American scene, so too did the "beat generation," trigger words designed to separate and fragment society. The media now focused its attention on the "beat generation." Other Tavistock-coined words came seemingly out of nowhere: "beatniks," "hippies," "flower children" became part of the vocabulary of America. It became popular to "drop out" and wear dirty jeans, go about with long unwashed hair. The "beat generation" cut itself off from main-stream America. They became just as infamous as the cleaner Beatles before them.

48 posted on 01/13/2002 11:58:31 AM PST by ActionNewsBill
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To: geaux
"The Beatles = A very early model for N Sync, Boyz-2-Men, Menudo, Backstreet Boys, Duran Duran, New Edition, etc., etc., etc. Find some cute, semi-talented guys, put them together into a band making pre-fab music, market them to 7th grade girls, make money, disperse and let the guys try it on their own."

You must be young. Didn't happen that way. The Beatles were a decent rock 'n roll band that learned their chops and paid their dues in Liverpool dives and German strip clubs. They were a road-hardened band long before they ever took their first trip to the States. The "cute little boy bands" thing isn't very new. The Beatles sure didn't start that...............but the examples you give certainly ARE pre-fabricated acts designed to get prepubescent girls to part with their parents' dough.

"Now they're starting with the girls; see Britney Spears."

Nope. You're about fifty years too late. Girl acts have been pre-packaged (individual "singers" or girl groups) since the '50's, certainly...........and it can be intelligently argued that this began long before then.

64 posted on 01/13/2002 12:21:32 PM PST by RightOnline
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