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For the record, you can count me among the "let's turn over all the rocks-ers". Let's turn them all over, no matter how smelly whatever is underneath may be. Sometimes, large organizations benefit from a major shock to the system. A nation is certainly no exception. Shine the light of day on all the treason, geopolitical incompetance, and, short term non-strategic thinking. Then, let the chips fall where they may. I don't care if even the guy I voted for, George W. Bush, ends up with embarrassing egg on his face or worse, I really don't. At this point, doing the right thing is far more important to the security of the nation than political intrigue or maintenance of the tenets of Dale Carnegie Training. Off with the gloves time, folks. Black and white time. The end of the age of liberalism, secular humanism and moral relativism is nigh. A sea change as great as the one that hit during the late 1800s and first few decades of the 1900s appears to be brewing. Either sieze the initiative and welcome the next paradigm, or be left behind. Study your history folks... you know I am right! (and Right!).

For the record, you can count me among the "let's turn over all the rocks-ers". Let's turn them all over, no matter how smelly whatever is underneath may be.

I absolutely agree.

[However, I can not post what I had easily conjured up yesterday afternoon and last night. No. Just can not go after this good man. Just can't. (and I'm not feeling sorry for this person - he knows debating skills and would do quite fine.) I just will not debate with him and end up feeling guilty about it. (the way I come across sometimes-a bit harsh-) ( "a bit"...rofl)
I like everything Luis on air that night. He doesn't need to hear all the damn good phrases I usually use and tie in with the facts. (and I'm sure that Luis would fend them off pretty eaisly, but I'm not going to proceed with this way against Luis)

"Shine the light of day on all the treason, geopolitical incompetance, and, short term non-strategic thinking."

This is what bothers me here. I'm actually pussying out -I would normally continue on with anyone)

I don't care if even the guy I voted for, George W. Bush, ends up with embarrassing egg on his face or worse, I really don't.

There is no way out of this - I won't proceed any further. Just can't.
(of course, anyone else who cares to jump in - and take Luis's place...hurry - ping me!)

"Off with the gloves time.."

LOL, I had 'em off last yesterday/last night - and for the first time ever-felt guilty about how I posted to someone here at FR. NO, won't happen, but I invite any other move-oner.