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To: Benson_Carter
Like many of your Libertarian brothers here, you confuse politics with ideology. I have gotten into equally heated debates with Repbulicans here on FR for making the same point that you have, which is that Republicans had the House, Senate and Presidentcy, yet failed to act against Abortions. I've even written to my Senators and Reps stating so. I'm with you on that.

However, I find it laughable that we have people here who say that they are little "l" libertarians, and big "L" Libertarians. Libertarianism is a Utopian dream, like it or not, and those who are shape-shifters within Libertarianism only give us more ammo. Plain and simple, Libertarianism dictates that one can Abort human life whenever and for whatever reason.

158 posted on 01/11/2002 12:42:15 PM PST by lormand
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To: lormand
Libertarianism dictates that one can Abort human life whenever and for whatever reason.

No, it doesn't. Murder is initiation of force, which libertarianism prohibits. Killing babies is murder.

162 posted on 01/11/2002 12:46:19 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: lormand
Plain and simple, Libertarianism dictates that one can Abort human life whenever and for whatever reason.

Well you've made that silly assertion three times now, and I'm calling you on it. Libertarian doctrine requires non-initiation of force, which certainly includes murdering another human. Instead of repeating blanket assertions, add some substance, if you can.

163 posted on 01/11/2002 12:46:34 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: lormand
"I find it laughable that we have people here who say that they are little "l" libertarians, and big "L" Libertarians. Libertarianism is a Utopian dream, like it or not, and those who are shape-shifters within Libertarianism only give us more ammo.

First of all, I'm a libertarian conservative, not a Libertarian.

"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."
--Ronald Reagan

No offense, but words from a better man than you or I.

"Plain and simple, Libertarianism dictates that one can Abort human life whenever and for whatever reason."

quite the contrary, libertarian logic would say that abortion is the initation of force against a human being that results in the death of that human being. A clear violation of the Rights to Life, Liberty, and the Persuit of Happiness.

but you are free to believe whatever you wish.

177 posted on 01/11/2002 1:04:11 PM PST by Benson_Carter
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To: lormand
Plain and simple, Libertarianism dictates that one can Abort human life whenever and for whatever reason.

No it doesn't. Before you pretend to know about "libertarianism" you really ought to check it out, otherwise you look like a fool. Or maybe the concepts are too tough for you to grasp. Good luck.

319 posted on 01/12/2002 2:17:32 AM PST by £inuxgruven
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