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To: bvw
As for what people did before PP, or birth control, I would assume you mean -

women died from bearing too many babies. people committed infanticide. children regularly died from disease due to squalid conditions. women died of illegal abortions. children lost their mothers to either botched childbirth (like my grandmother lost her mother, at 13) or illegal abortions. lives were destroyed. etc. etc. it was horrible.

gee willikers, what did people do before child labor laws were enacted?

72 posted on 01/09/2002 7:09:09 PM PST by Galatea
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To: Galatea
The big clue is the word "Planned" -- PP was never about women's health anywhere near as much as it was and is about *control* -- "planning" one's life, in what appears to many on the outside of it to be beyond the levels one does "plan" things; it is done so isolate not to integrate.

PP is like the KKK of sex. PP wants sex to be all "white".

I'm speaking metaphorically, I mean "white" not in the sense of race, but in the sense of an inhumane "purity". A purity that is in reality unacheivable except through extreme desensitation, and meaness. That metaphor for "white" is an ancient one.

So the PP is the KKK of sex.

PP founder Sanger was not even metphorical about it: she sought to eliminate or nearly eliminate the black race -- a subhuman race in her eyes -- by eugenics, by *PLANNING*.

The modern PP is at the surface certainly not about racial purity, and they are indeed driven by a hot desire, a longing, an unfilled need to *control* sex and sexuality. They are far more sexual purists. But the racial aspect is still there, sublimnated, but there. Look at their boards, at their supporters.

80 posted on 01/10/2002 5:11:52 AM PST by bvw
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To: Galatea; madg
There is no evidence to support the assertion that abortion has improved the health of women. The maternal mortality and morbidity rate decreased independently of the legalization of abortion, and even contraception. Take a look at the CDC information available on the net. Antibiotics and improved general health are responsible for that decrease. (I have that reference at the office, but you could search on the CDC site, if you can't wait until I can post it)

Information on abortion statistics are published in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly by the CDC. Deaths due to abortion have only been collected since the early '70's.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001467.htm

Of special interest is the simultaneous fall in mortality due to spontaneous abortion and that due to elective abortion in the '70's. This is probably due to improved surgical techniques, antibiotic use, and the vacuum suction.

83 posted on 01/10/2002 5:25:16 AM PST by hocndoc
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