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To: rwfromkansas
All I asked is what happens to children when they die. Maybe if you can direct me to some pertinent Scripture on the matter instead of insulting me...good grief. I sat in on a pro-life lecture by a pastor that heads a church where he and his assisstants were trained at the Master's Seminary in California. He talked about Traducianism (supporting Scripture Heb.7:9,10-Levi seminally and physically present in the loins of his father). He basically stated that the individual soul is brought into existence at the time of conception through the union of egg and sperm. Therefore, entire persons, not just bodies, are propagated by parents. That led me to wonder what happens to that soul if the child dies as an infant or is aborted. If you can answer that with a more intellectual reply than 'so freaking what' I'd appreciate your input.
89 posted on 01/05/2002 5:41:41 PM PST by constitutiongirl
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To: constitutiongirl
I was replying to your post saying we are to confess our sins to eachother (which is true).
99 posted on 01/05/2002 5:47:50 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: constitutiongirl
...Therefore, entire persons, not just bodies, are propagated by parents. That led me to wonder what happens to that soul if the child dies as an infant or is aborted.

It's a tough question, but I think it can be effectively reasoned out with scripture, even though there is no specific statement that says that all innocent children go to heaven, followed by a defining of that innocence.

First of all, Jesus said "suffer the little children to come unto Me, for such is the kingdom of heaven." He also said that unless we become like children, we'll have trouble entering that same kingdom. Since he used the literal example of the kids the diciples were trying to shoo away, I take this in a literal sense to some extent as well as the obvious spiritual. Especially if you consider the obvious level of love that God has for children, speaking of it often in the Old and New Testaments. Anyway, what He meant was that their innocent, trusting, unconditional "I believe whatever you tell me" hearts of faith are exactly what God wants from us.

Also, and this is a pretty broad example, so be kind. :) But it has always struck me that when God disallowed the men of Israel to enter Canaan after fearing the Canaanites described by the scouts' report, He drew the line at the age of 19. Any man over that age had to stay behind. Now, I don't think that all men under the age of 19 are innocent - hardly - but I think this example is an interesting point to ponder, that God did not consider those young men party to their elders' sin.

With specific regard to abortion, God tells Jeremiah that before he was born, God had plans for him. In Psalm 139, which happens to be my favorite, David says that God knew all about him in the womb, that He formed all his parts, knew all his days before any were lived. In my opinion, God of course then knows which babies will never make it out of the womb, and a just and loving God cannot send those souls to hell. Also, when David's son by Bathsheba dies after only living a few days, David says that one day he will go to him. David knows that he and his son will be reunited one day -

2 Samuel 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

Just some quick references from my random thoughts, there are certainly more, but I believe wholeheartedly that a strong scriptural argument can be made for the acceptance of babies and small children.

285 posted on 01/05/2002 8:25:35 PM PST by agrace
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