[RnMomof7]

Hypocracy knows no bounds.

Thats what I think every time I look at the Kennedys

BTW Your observations are on the "liberal" main line churchs that long ago gave up any pretense of believing the Bible.Fundamental Bible Believing churches ,like Baptists,Orthodox Presbyterian, Independant churches do not have women in the ministry or leadership,homosexuals are not in the ministry or in many cases membership (as a Catholic and all the sexual abuse in your churches by your priests you should have gagged when you wrote that). All fundamental churches take a stand against divorce and abortion, many do not allow drinking or smoking or gambling (Bingo) either.

You are poorly informed

[Romulus]

Ignatius means nothing to me

That's too bad, because he meant a lot to John Wesley:

There was always something of post-restoration high churchmanship about John Wesley with an affinity through his mother with the Non-Jurors, and a preference through the whole family for the Eastern Fathers. Samuel, who expected a curate to read more than the average don would be capable of, just as John was to make similar demands on his assistants, thought Ignatius of Antioch and his epistles next to the Bible and wished he could have got them by heart. In his letter of 1749 to the Cambridge deist Conyers Middleton, who asserted that "miraculous powers" ceased with the Apostolic Age, he recognises the Fathers' limitations and mistakes. He does not regard them as powerful intellectuals, but they were Christians and describe "true, genuine Christianity". He writes "I mean particularly Clemens Romanus, Ignatius, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origen, Clemens Alexandrinus, Cyprian, to whom I would add Macarius and Ephraim Syrus".