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To: proud2bRC
Having reading your patristic quotes along with Luther and Calvin and some of those men you call pope, I conclude that it is your belief that any sexual intercourse that is not engaged in solely for the purpose of procreation is sinful and comparable to sodomy and other vile sins?

State it plainly.
1,413 posted on 02/01/2002 3:47:12 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
I've been pretty good about being charitable on this thread, but I must say, you are an obstinate fool.
1,415 posted on 02/01/2002 4:42:56 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: George W. Bush
I conclude that it is your belief that any sexual intercourse that is not engaged in solely for the purpose of procreation is sinful and comparable to sodomy and other vile sins?

No, that was the Puritan (protestant, mind you) position.

I have just proved to you, irrefutably, that the Catholic position on contraception is the continual Christian position.

Yet you continue these juvenile antics, and refuse to admit this obvious truth. It casts long shadows on the rest of your personal interpretation of scripture, and it shows your intellectual dishonesty and spiritual immaturity.

1,416 posted on 02/01/2002 4:48:18 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: George W. Bush
I conclude that it is your belief that any sexual intercourse that is not engaged in solely for the purpose of procreation is sinful and comparable to sodomy and other vile sins?

From our Catechism (obviously, what I believe...)III. THE LOVE OF HUSBAND AND WIFE

Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman. In marriage the physical intimacy of the spouses becomes a sign and pledge of spiritual communion. Marriage bonds between baptized persons are sanctified by the sacrament.

"Sexuality, by means of which man and woman give themselves to one another through the acts which are proper and exclusive to spouses, is not something simply biological, but concerns the innermost being of the human person as such. It is realized in a truly human way only if it is an integral part of the love by which a man and woman commit themselves totally to one another until death."142

Tobias got out of bed and said to Sarah, "Sister, get up, and let us pray and implore our Lord that he grant us mercy and safety." So she got up, and they began to pray and implore that they might be kept safe. Tobias began by saying, "Blessed are you, O God of our fathers. . . . You made Adam, and for him you made his wife Eve as a helper and support. From the two of them the race of mankind has sprung. You said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone; let us make a helper for him like himself.' I now am taking this kinswoman of mine, not because of lust, but with sincerity. Grant that she and I may find mercy and that we may grow old together." And they both said, "Amen, Amen." Then they went to sleep for the night.143

2362 "The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and gratitude."144 Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure:

The Creator himself . . . established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment. They accept what the Creator has intended for them. At the same time, spouses should know how to keep themselves within the limits of just moderation.145

2363 The spouses' union achieves the twofold end of marriage: the good of the spouses themselves and the transmission of life. These two meanings or values of marriage cannot be separated without altering the couple's spiritual life and compromising the goods of marriage and the future of the family.

The conjugal love of man and woman thus stands under the twofold obligation of fidelity and fecundity.

Conjugal fidelity

The married couple forms "the intimate partnership of life and love established by the Creator and governed by his laws; it is rooted in the conjugal covenant, that is, in their irrevocable personal consent."146 Both give themselves definitively and totally to one another. They are no longer two; from now on they form one flesh. The covenant they freely contracted imposes on the spouses the obligation to preserve it as unique and indissoluble.

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Here I tried to find the old Puritan writings about procreation. I do not need to tell you what I found when I searched for "puritan" and "sex" on Google...

1,423 posted on 02/01/2002 5:42:10 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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