[PleaseReadBeforeJudging] Why Only Catholicism Can Make Protestantism Work: Bouyer on Reformation

Catholic Dossier/ CERC ^ | MARK BRUMLEY

[Longshanks]

VLH: the majority of the terrorism has been Catholic

CG: You are incredibly misinformed.

Actually, that could be true. It's easy for those who have been around for less than 500 years to find fault in a history stretching back 2000 years.

[Cleburne]

No, there were some scattered sects that remained apart from the Catholic Church before Luther, and there were attempts at reformation before Luther.

[constitutiongirl]

You're probably being too nice. All the ladies will think you're the greatest best friend in the world, then they will not want to take the risk of losing the friendship. Maybe you should try the mysterious, cool guy routine. THAT really seems to work.:)

[Petronski]

Of course my previous post refers to RaceBannon, not you Longshanks

[WriteOn]

ping me anytime. That was an execeptional read given some of the threads here. (Now if we could also heal the schism with the eastern orthodox, wouldn't that be a great party:-) They have maintained theosis as a core principle of the church.

[RaceBannon]

Catholics invented scripture. We love scripture. You would not have it were it not for the Catholic Church.

The Old Testament was around long before the RC ever showed up :-)

[Longshanks]

I was quoting that statement by RaceBannon to make a point identical to your own.

[RnMomof7]

Catholics invented scripture. We love scripture. You would not have it were it not for the Catholic Church. Nothing in scripture contradicts Catholicism and nothing in Catholicism contradicts scripture. We cherish every single word of it. And we love having the opportunity to show you how satan has deceived you by serving you only slivers of truth and keeping you ignorant of the entire scriptures and the authentic interpreter.

The Catholic Church was a good steward of the word of God for many years. We will agree on that . But the question was directed at sink because he didn't like having scripture quoted to him.So I wondered is there were guidelines on Catholic threads for which scripture is acceptable

[RaceBannon]

Actually, the Baptist faith has always been what it is now, pretty much. Here is a link explaining the history

[attagirl]

The only Church Christ left behind on earth was the brotherhood of all who believed in His Birth, Death on The Cross, and Resurrection... all who had faith that their Salvation was found, through Grace, in His Blood... THOU ART PETER AND UPON THIS ROCK, I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH..." If it were a brotherhood and nothing more, heresy would have torn it apart in no time. All the different churches were connected into ONE Church. Certainly you remember the Council of Jerusalem, you remember Paul saying that no one should say he is a follower of Paul or of Barnabus or of Titus (I'm making these names up because I forget just where it says it, but maybe you will recall) but of Christ.

Not through works. Our works are a necessary expression of our faith: Hebrews 13:16--"Do not neglect good deeds and generosity; God is pleased by sacrifices of that kind." And somewhere else it says "It is better to give than to receive." And you know about James: "Faith without works is dead." Not through man-made Vulgate mumbo-jumbo, nor via some post-Tridentine/Vatican II modernization (bastardization?) of the same. I will not comment here as I think this is getting off the subject, but if you want I will later.

Christ left us his Word... God's word, in the Holy Bible. Yes, and 2 Peter, verse 16 says: "There are certain passages in them [Scriptures] hard to understand. The ignorant and the unstable distort them (just as they do the rest of Scipture) to their own ruin."

That is, there is a need for an interpreter--the Holy Spirit through the Church.

And nowhere in it do you find the stations of the Cross or praying to the saints or bowing to statues. That's very true. But why does that in itself constitute something unworthy? No devotion is contrary to the Bible. And besides being a way of worship, they are a way of reminding people of the truths of our faith (the Rosary and the stations come to mind readily).

And as for graven images: gimme a break! That went out with Jesus coming in the flesh. According to that way of thinking, it would be wrong to depict Jesus in ANY artwork whatsoever, however pious. All Protestants I know have no objection to this even though pictures are not normally in their churches. And nowhere is that stricture against graven images affirmed in the New Testament.

It's like looking at photos of your loved ones. They help recollect our thoughts and focus on our prayer. Well, I'm wondering why you did decide to leave Catholicism for a pale reflection.

[sinkspur]

What do you believe, Race?

You're the one who came on this thread baiting with 60 inches of type from the Council of Trent. Have you suddenly accepted the Council of Trent? Just what did you mean to do with that post?

If you post what you believe, rather than jump on Catholic belief, you might shed your anti-Catholic reputation.

[constitutiongirl]

That's interesting. I've never heard that before (and I live in Virginia when I'm on that side of the pond). I always thought it odd that M. Mitchell created Scarlett, the consumate Southern belle, as an Irish/French Catholic instead of an Anglo or Scot/Irish Protestant.

[RaceBannon]

Posting statements from the Council of Trent are his way of baiting.

Did you get that? P{osting from the original Catholic Doctrinal Statements, the very paper from the RC Church telling RC people what they must believe is bashing. If I say something that is against Scripture, post the verse, but when you post the official RC doctrine, you are being unfair. It makes it look like they think they don't have to believe it.

[kstewskis]

If you misread your Bible the way you misread my post, that could be a big part of your problem.

LOL! you kill me! No, YOU are the problem. GO back and read my post where I quoted you. I have no problem with The Bible, or Jesus' teachings, only subjective rantings on it's interpretation such as yours who try to "brainwash" (read: CULT) naiive ones who will believe anything what they are told...and NOT what they can question and read for themselves. Where in the Bible does Christ tell us to confess our sins to a man (priest)? Where in the Bible does Christ tell us that we should ever pray to the virgin Mary for anything? Excuse me, but did I quote The Bible? I think you are calling the kettle black. YOU need to read these posts much clearer.

No where! That is your problem, I did NOT say we confess to a MAN (priest), we confess to God. You just don't get, do you? I'm not going to waste more bandwidth trying to explain it to you, do me a favor...go ask a priest, and he'll explain it to you. It'll be an educational experience for you, which you badly need.

If nowhere in the Bible are we thus instructed, then how can it be Biblically sound to do so? That which does not come from the Bible does not come from God, but from Man... or worse.

Or worse???? You better elaborate on that, kind sir, before you get in hot water...or else. If you think for one second that one is damned because they confessed their sins to God through a priest....you're more ignorant than you appear.

There are things in life, from the large terrible things, to the little annoyances (such as trying to argue with ignorant people such as yourself) that get in the way of our loving relationship with God. I can go to reconcilliation, and get this crap off my chest, "give it to God" if you will, and let Him deal with it. Good thing tomorrow is Sunday, it comes in the nick of time. May God Bless you for trying. I hope you figure it out someday.

[RnMomof7]

I don't know what Race believes. All I know is that he disagrees with what I believe

Why don't you ask him?

I know that you love the word of God. Word on the street says you preach..

You know as well as I do that the word of God cuts and separates bone and marrow.It is indeed what God uses to call us to accountability. You know it could be the same scripture that you see as condemning the church I may see as condemning me.Instead of hating the messenger maybe we need to listen to the message

[Longshanks]

The other half of Ireland was being cleansed by the Catholics first!

Huh? Ireland had been peacefully cleansed of paganism by St. Patrick 1200 years earlier. After that, it became known as "the land of saints and scolars" and sent out waves of Christian (Catholic) missionaries which helped bring about the peaceful conversion of mainland Europe to Christianity (Catholicism).

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Thank you for sharing your own personal opinion on this thread. May God Bless you abundantly, illuminate your darkened intellect, and have Mercy on your soul.

[tiki]

Good article, in case you haven't been pinged

[RaceBannon]

If you read my whole post, you would have seen that I was resonding to someone else with an answer to something they posted.

What I posted, was the OFFICIAL CATHOLIC DOCTRINAL STATEMENT, something that should end all discussion on 'What the RC Says' type arguement, I posted from TRENT, VATICAN II, and the NEW CATECHISM concerning my point. All debate on what the RC Church says or means is said in those cut and pastes.

My original post was a response to infant baptism and how the RC church believes it is necessary for salvation and that if a baby dies without baptism it goes to limbo or purgatory. A response came from SMEDLEY BUTLER quoting the new catechism, so I quoted further from the 3 sources I previously mentioned to make my point clearer: That the RC church believes that Baptism provides or is necessary for salvation, and that is against Scripture.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

...and lots of protestants have killed lots of Catholics, and both have burned "heretics" and "witches"...so what's yer point? Men sin. In all churches. Throughout history. Because of Original Sin. And Christ came to save us from our sin. Am I supposed to be scandalized because you pointes out that some Catholics have sinned? Heck, I live in a house full o' 'em. Don't need you to tell me Catholics sin. I get up in the morning, look in the mirror, and know that.