Posted on 01/04/2002 5:02:25 AM PST by Who is George Salt?
Former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan has recently garnered alot of press attention for his upcoming book, The Death of the West: How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization (Thomas Dunne Books/St. Martin's Press, $25.95). In a nutshell, PJB claims that low birthrates are decimating the population of almost every European country; that by 2050, only one-tenth of the world's population (America included) will be of European descent; and the unchecked influx of immigrants into America, legal and otherwise, is gradually handing the nation over to insurgents who come to force their foreign values on us rather than accepting ours.
Others have pointed out the similarities between Buchanan's "dying West" and themes from Oswald Spengler's Decline of the West. I vaguely remembered something else, so I went to the Calvin College website and searched their most excellent Nazi and East German Propaganda Archive, and found the text of a speech delivered by Dr. Walter Gross, the head of the Nazi Party's Office of Racial Policy. He was speaking to a women's meeting at the Gau Party Rally in Cologne on 13 October 1934. The parallels between Buchanan's thesis and Nazi racial policy are unchanny. See for yourself:
National Socialist Racial Policy:
A Speech to German Women
My Dear German Women and Girls!
When Germans come together today to discuss the things that concern us both as individuals and as a nation, it is a solemn occasion, whether we wish it to be or not. During the political struggles of the past, we could speak of party programs or of civilization without any involvement of our soul. Now we have forgotten how to approach an issue merely with our understanding, merely with our mouth, merely with our heart. We have become whole people once again. When we speak with others, we do so with our full being.
That is what made the movement strong, and great, and powerful from its first days. It is also that which the enemy on this side of the border and the other cannot understand, and which it hates with deadly strength. As this great and beautiful people's movement began, so too began a hard and bitter struggle between enemy and German forces, between an old world that is really long dead and buried, and the new world that is struggling to reach the light through us. This struggle has been going on in people's hearts and souls for years, and is nowhere near its end.
The world finds it difficult to understand that which is at the center of our endeavors: the value of blood and race.
Our enemies first laughed in pity, then in hatred as we spoke of it.
Let us speak of what we National Socialists mean by that so that it will become clear why the German woman may be even more concerned about these matters than the man, his state, and his fighting organization can be.
There was a time in the past when we were untrue, untrue in the deepest sense. We were untrue not to other people, or parties, or states, or kings, but untrue to something far greater, untrue to the laws of life. As long as the world exists, as long as life grows, flourishes and perishes, so long will this life have the urge to live on into the future and win new territory. Whether plant or animal or man--as we, or I, or you: wherever there is life, it has the longing to bring forth new life.
It should be unnecessary to speak of such things. We speak of them only because for a few decades a crazy era ignored, blasphemed and mocked these greatest, most beautiful and purest dreams of life. This was an age that made the idol of money supreme and said: "The world should be governed not be what serves life, rather by what some fool of an accountant decides is best." We know the results. The great laws of life were evaluated according to money sacks and checkbooks.
When we think back on our parents, grandparents and great grandparents, there were many children in the house. It may have been crowded and hard financially, but we were happy, perhaps because there were so many of us in so large a family.
But the time came when people said: "As man or woman, as parents or teachers of leaders, you have the duty to show the people the way to a better future." That better future, people thought, could only be a richer future, a future in which the individual had more money. And when they were asked where this money would come from, a false teaching arose in the last century: "The fewer people there are, the more an individual child can inherit from his parents." He who loves his children and wishes a prosperous future for his nation should therefore see to it that Germany's population is small, and that only a few children continue the family after he is gone.
That was the terrible teaching of birth control, which Marxism preached and the bourgeois followed. No one dared stand against it. That was the doctrine that made us what we are today:
a dying people,
in which fewer children are born each year, in which today more people die each year than are born.
This all was supposed to lead to a happy future. It understood happiness only in terms of possessions. It was therefore inherently false. But even in its own terms it was false, for it forgot something:
When a people begins to die, when a people no longer obeys the laws of life, which a people values money more than its existence and posterity, this people is on the path to disaster, both historically and politically.
Within a few decades it will be dead,
oppressed by other peoples who are stronger,
closer to life, and who follow life's laws better than we.
If present trends continue, by the end of the century Germany will be a nation with only 40-50 million inhabitants, and we know that on our borders other peoples are growing quickly and strongly.
Sooner or later, these other peoples will come in conflict with a shrinking and dying German people, and the result of the supposed doctrine of happiness will be a hard and bitter national death for our children.
Those who believed that they can give their children a happy and peaceful future by reducing the number of children err deeply. They give the children only the promise of a hard and bitter struggle for Germany's existence as a state and as an idea. Today when we work to show people that the ideas of yesterday are false, that the state and nation cannot do without the family, that the family cannot exist without children, and when we not only provide economic support to make it easier to begin families and have children,
but also tell people again and again of the sanctity of life and the necessity of continuing our people into the future, our enemies on both sides of the border suddenly have insults and hateful things to say about us.
They wish to disturb our work. Suddenly there are voices saying: "National Socialism's doctrines are inhumane and barbaric. National Socialism's views on children turn people into breeding animals. When it says that it is the duty of men and women to continue the eternal chain of life, a chain that begins in the distant past and continues into the future, a chain of which we are only a link leading into the distant future, our enemies on both sides of the border claim: "You reject the dignity and value of humanity. National Socialism holds that men and women have no value other than that of breeding cattle." It is a shame that we have to respond to such words, but it is necessary because our enemies have always tried to persuade women to oppose us, even though what we say is rooted in the souls of the men and women we speak to. This is our response: "You are mistaken in accusing us of thinking that the only purpose of humanity is to continue the species by passing on our blood to future generations. We know the other values. We support them and find wherever we can those values that the individual shows in his work and selfless service. We know well enough that each person lives a double life. The first is the one he lives between birth and death. We are to do as much as we can to make this life rich, to accomplish that which is good and beautiful, to use our strengths and gifts for others. That is the duty of the individual. But as a person you are something more: You are a member of the chain of life, a drop in the great bloodstream of your people.
There too you have duties and obligations before the eternity of the nation. You have the duty to pass on what you received from your parents and ancestors. I do not believe that such behavior, which obeys both the laws of reason and of life, is barbaric, hateful or inhumane. I believe instead that the barbarism is to be found in the years we have left behind us, when any dirty lout could besmirch the most valuable, holy life of a man or women in their families, or drag children through the filth, without anyone defending their culture against such an attack. I believe that when we tell people once more of the great value of blood, and remind them that they have duties not only for the 60-year span in which they work and serve, but also to the millennia of the past from which we come and to the millennia of the future to which we are heading, then we are giving them higher values than those of yesterday. Let me say also, however, that it is wrong if someone thinks that only those who found families and bear children are valuable to our state. We know that is not so. We know there are reasons why some people leave their people's flow of blood. We know that some are denied what the nation places great value on. We do not ignore them or think ourselves their betters. We only say this: "My friend, you and I must do our duty to our people, and when we cannot fulfill it in one way, then we must do what we can with even greater energy and devotion. When you do your duty, you are one of us, we extend our hand to you, we honor your humanity and your service for Germany. Let us work together so that in the future, as many people as possible will be able to serve the nation in both ways. That is a piece of the thinking of blood and race that National Socialism has taught us.
And there is another aspect.
When we see people today, we can recognize that we are not all alike. There are differences in value; each person does not have the same value as everyone else.
In the past, people believed that these differences were superficial, the result of the environment in which one grew up. People believed that what became of a person depended primarily on the house he grew up in or in his social environment, or the class he came from. They believed that a person born in a slum, surrounded by shadows, troubles and poverty, a child lacking in love and affection, could only become a second-class human being, a physically and psychologically ill member of the society, someone failed by the society and the state. One thought that a child growing up in such slum inevitably became sick, or even criminal. It was because he grew up in such a poor environment. The Marxists claimed that if every child in Germany grew up in an environment that gave him all he needed, he would inevitably become a useful, decent, upright, proud and honest adult. After a few years or decades, the entire German people would consist of such decent and useful people. In the past people believed the environment was responsible even when a person failed miserably.
We recall the days of delirium, when millions of unemployed had been thrown on the street by a sick political and economic system, made superfluous. A single person pried the tracks apart and derailed a train in the middle of the night. Within a minute he murdered 30 innocent people who had never done anything to him, and stole their money. And what did the world of yesterday say? "He can't help himself. He is a victim of circumstances. He has Beethoven's hands and an artistic temperament. We need not put him on the gallows or in prison to protect us and our children. No, this poor Schlesinger is only sick because of his environment. Put him in a modern sanitarium, give him what he needs: radio, a library, a smoking salon, a language teacher, a pastor, a newspaper room, give him everything he needs to put him in touch with better things. In a few years, this mass murderer of 30 people will leave as an ideal human being, so pure and innocent that one can put him in charge of a kindergarten."
That's what people thought in the past. Today that seems a bad joke to us, a crazy fantasy, but a few years ago it was government policy in Germany. Those who did well under such policies and have joined to fight us think that they can accuse our doctrines of blood and race as barbaric.
Why do we see things differently? Because we have learned something: In the end, you are not as important and significant as you thought yesterday; your strength and abilities are not as great as you believed during the liberal era. Oh yes, it was a lovely dream to say: "I will do with my life what I want, and of if I happen to be a teacher, I will teach what I want, and do what I enjoy, and what I think right." Well, that was your idea of the environment. We are a bit more modest, a bit more humble before the laws of fate.
We have learned that what I can do for myself or what you can do for yourself, or what we can all do to each other, is not as important, or as deep, as that which a greater power has already done to us. It is that power that even before our birth gave us a part of our nature, and laid out our path for us in the world. Here are joined two things: the knowledge of modern science and the sensitivity and understanding of a humble person. Suddenly we see that:
What you are, what I am and what I can be in my life is in part predetermined by that which I have inherited.
If my inheritance is good and strong, and if I am true to it and develop what is within me, my life will be successful, and perhaps of benefit and joy to others. If such an inheritance is denied me, or if for some inexplicable reason fate has given me other, perhaps weak, perhaps even bad traits, I can struggle against them for my entire life, and will still not be able to rid myself of that which slumbers in me because of the actions of a higher power.
We see then that a good part of a people's history is determined by what it has inherited. If we ask what sorts of physical or intellectual traits these may be, or what groups there are, we will see that each people has three groups. The first is a large group of people with average gifts, the most of us who are able to deal with the normal problems life presents us with. Next there is a very small group. This group has received a better inheritance than most of us, not because of any particular virtue on its part, but simply because of fate. The leaders of humanity, those who build states, lead people, or touch the soul, come from this group. And there is a third small group with particular traits, also not their fault: those who are sick or genetically defective. They are not up to the challenges of life, and need outside help to survive.
As humanity of a nation go through the centuries, the decisive fact is which of these three groups is the strongest. One might say: "That is not a question at all. The strongest will win, the group from which the leaders come. This superior group has to be the strongest in the end, it must gradually have its way." Well, that is how things would be without people, if people with their little brains did not believe that they could change the laws of life given to the world by heaven.
Man has interfered in these matters. He has tried to change the laws of struggle and existence and selection. Those were ancient laws of life, to which men too were subject: That which cannot meet the challenges dies.
That is hard, perhaps, but it is also the way that nature makes life stronger and better. Man has tried more and more to abolish these laws. He has kept life going by using artificial means in cases where, left to itself, it would have ended. He used all his understanding, love and sympathy to keep a person alive, even when it is no joy, but only a burden and misery. We now keep thousands, even tens of thousands of unhappy creatures alive through artificial means, those to whom life itself has denied the right to life. But keeping them alive was not itself the problem.
What is worse is that they were given the opportunity to pass on their unfortunate physical and mental characteristics. That was the worst that happened: we took the physically weak, the mentally ill, the genetically defective criminals and not only kept them alive and cared for them--that is our duty as human beings, which we certainly do not want to ignore in the future either--and gave them the ability to have children with the same deficiencies, thus doubling or multiplying their misery.
The German people do not know the extent of this misery, it does not know the depressing spirit of the homes where thousands of cripples live their lives only by being fed and cared for, poor creatures who are worse than any animal. The animal at least is as it should be. These poor creatures are distortions of life, no joy either to themselves or others. They are a burden throughout their miserable existences, but thanks to the selfless care and devotion of those who care for them may live 60, 70 or 80 years. The German people do not realize the enormous sums that have been spent for decades, money that is taken from those who are healthy, who could do something useful, but cannot because the money is lacking.
There was a winter in which children in Bavaria did not even have wooden shoes to wear as they walked through the snow on their way to school. They had to walk for hours bare-footed. At the same time, the government made sure that those unfortunate souls in a large institution had fresh bananas twice a week so that they got the necessary vitamins. But these vitamins could not give them joy or strength or health. But they were thus denied to those somewhere in the Bavarian forest, or in the Ruhr, or in a poor fishing village on the Frisian coast, where they could have reduced the poverty and need in some worker's house. At the same time there was a case where a single mentally ill Negro of English citizenship lived for 16 years in an institution in Berlin, costing 26,000 Marks. 26,000 Marks were thrown away on a life that had no meaning. 26,000 Marks that could have been used to prepare a dozen strong, healthy and gifted children for life and a job. But I am not speaking of this as a kind of theft. Money is not an end in itself. Rather, we have here committed a theft of spirit and soul, because we tried to persuade the nation and humanity that our own greatness could come from sacrificing for the worst and most helpless. In the end, we went so far as to put the sick and the dying before the young, strong, healthy and promising. That is against nature and life. A nation going this way is heading for the abyss.
We went so far as to preach year after year to healthy families that they should have no children, or at most one, else they sinned against the nation and the spirit of this enlightened age. But if some imbecile of a whore and a genetically ill criminal had children, they were not only a financial burden for their entire lives, but also took the labor of people who our society gave nothing better to do than to change these poor creatures three times a day and feed them. That is a perversion of everything great and healthy, and is a sin against life and the spirit of creation. With full knowledge of our duties as human beings and the requirements of pity, we made the decision not to allow such miserable creatures to pass on their misery to the next generation, multiplied perhaps two or three or more times. That is a major accomplishment, for which our children and their children will one day thank us.
I know that there are those who will say: "You are meddling in matters that are not your concern. You are interfering in an area outside human control. Life and death are not in the hands of man, but in those of a higher power. If God wants sick and genetically ill people to be born, you may not interfere through laws, operations, or any other measures with God's will. And if you do so--and you have with your Law to Prevent Inherited Illness--then you are acting against the will of God, and you are heretics." This is our answer: "My friend, you are wrong. It is true that we are subject to a higher power. We humans may never interfere with the great laws of the Creator. But you are wrong. See the laws the Creator has established for his world and your life. The great law is that life must be able to preserve itself, and that if it cannot, it will collapse. It is the hard, brutal law of the struggle for existence and of selection and extinction. It was the law we saw day by day, hour by hour, under all the clouds of heaven and all the stars of the sky, in which life seemed to find a senseless death, whether plant or animal or person, whether in distant Africa or near us. That which cannot meet the challenges of life dies, no matter how much pain it causes, and even if your small understanding or mind cannot comprehend it, these are the great laws of life and the world that God himself gave us. These are the laws, my German friend, that in our crazy fantasies we broke in the past." With overweening human pride and false pity, we broke the great law and kept those alive who under the laws of God would long since have perished. Today we are once more following these old laws, using humane methods, for they follow a more hard and brutal course in nature according to God's will. We are doing nothing more than reestablishing the laws of creation, and bowing to the heavenly order. We are thus showing piety and true humility--you are the heretics. This applies as well to the third and last principle of our racial thinking.
This third and last principle is that the people on this world, in America, Africa or China, are different both in body and soul. They are not equal, as yesterday's lie had it. People are different. They not only speak different languages and look different: no, they are different in the depths of their hearts and natures, and in their abilities for good and evil.
In the past people believed that these differences were accidental, the result of climate or civilization, and that one could overcome these differences and create a unified man in a unified state in which all would be equally happy. We have learned that such ideas are false. We have learned that the differences between the major blood groups of the world, between the major races, are not the result of human action, but of the laws of Creation. We have learned that the lines between blood and blood, race and race, are also the lines between soul and soul and spirit and spirit. We have learned that the opposite of the old phrase "What God has brought together, let no man put asunder" is also true. We have learned: What God has separated, man should not bring together. Heaven thought it good not to have only one type of people on the earth, but different kinds, various racially-bound peoples. That is a part of Creation. We bow before this truth and respect the borders. That means that the foundation of our separation of the races is not a matter of politics or economics, rather it rests on a higher level, to which we in the end are responsible. In our Reich, we are separating that which belongs to us, because it is blood of our blood, from that which does not belong to us, because it is foreign. We are doing that which is right not only for the moment, but for eternity. Believe me, my dear German fellow citizens, it is not true, as some say, that this doctrine is a sign of arrogance or superiority or boasting. We do not think ourselves better than the other races on the earth. No, we do not think ourselves better, nor do we believe that others are worse than we are.
We insist only on one thing--a law established by the Creator himself: Man differs from man and race from race in this world.
The others may not be better or worse, but they are different than we are, and because they are different than we are, there is a kind of wall between us that is part of the laws of life. That is the core of National Socialism's racial thinking. Our goal is not to insult others, to say: "What a great guy I am!" Rather, we hold to the humble recognition that each healthy piece of life has its corner of the world, and its special tasks. This is just as true of humans as it is of plants and animals in all their multiplicity. We know that one type is no more valuable than another.
But we also know that each variety of life has a right to existence only as long as it keeps itself pure and strong.
Only when a tree bears the proper fruit does it have a right to live. Otherwise it will be cut down and destroyed. We do not know why things are the way they are, and it would be foolish to ask the reason. That is how things are. Our task is to humbly accept the laws that govern our human existence, and to accept the fact that we are born Germans in Germany, not as Chinese or Eskimos. That is not because of our virtues, nor it is our fault, nor was it our will. It was fate that came from above. We have no choice but to accept this fate and to develop the abilities that fate has given us according to necessity and law. Others may develop in their own way, in their own land. We must listen to the depths of our own people, to draw from blood and inheritance the strength we need to build our homeland. A higher power will take care of the life beyond. I believe, my dear German fellow citizens, that everyone who is of our spirit will grant the correctness of our thinking about blood and race, and will say: "I see now that you are not only on the right path, but are honest and in the deepest sense true to demands that are greater than the laws of man."
Let us then together follow the path to a new worldview. Let us go the path of blood and race, which does not ignore faith and knowledge and a sense of higher powers.
Let us go this path, not a path of matter, superstition and heresy, rather a path of deep humility and piety before the laws of God. Let us go along this path together and listen to the deepest depths where blood and soul rule. Let us draw from there the strength to build the state, and even more important the Reich. It will be a Reich not only of politics, a Reich of organization, or the economy, but a Reich of people. Germany today has the fortune to find a new way, led by a great Führer. German women today have the good fortune to see a strong and loyal woman at their head. Let us together go forward, hand in hand, as befits comrades building the future, and let us join the strength of men and women, rooted deep in their b blood, to build what the world has never before seen: The holy Reich of the German soul. Heil!
Freepers can see for themselves rather than rely on your commie propaganda about what is in the book.
"They were speaking of British subjects on this continent being equal to British subjects born and residing in Great Britain!" Why, according to this, not only negroes but white people outside of Great Britain and America are not spoken of in that instrument. The English, Irish and Scotch, along with white Americans, were included to be sure, but the French, Germans and other white people of the world are all gone to pot along with the Judge’s inferior races. I had thought the Declaration promised something better than the condition of British subjects; but no, it only meant that we should be equal to them in their own oppressed and unequal condition. According to that, it gave no promise that having kicked off the King and Lords of Great Britain, we should not at once be saddled with a King and Lords of our own.
"... I understand you are preparing to celebrate the "Fourth," to-morrow week. What for? The doings of that day had no reference to the present;
and quite half of you are not even descendants of those who were referred to at that day.
"But I suppose you will celebrate; and will even go so far as to read the Declaration. Suppose after you read it once in the old fashioned way, you read it once more with Judge Douglas’ version. It will then run thus: "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all British subjects who were on this continent eighty-one years ago, were created equal to all British subjects born and then residing in Great Britain."
Hence, the silly notion of the "takeover over America by those of a different cultural background than the founding fathers" was ridiculous in 1857, and was rendered utterly absurd by subsequent waves of immigration.
Just for the record, are you telling me that it will make NO difference in the freedom and opportunity offered by the United States if the culture changed from one that valued promises and written contracts, to one that sees promises and contracts as conveniences to be broken when they don't benefit you anymore or circumventend by bribes when inconvenient (as is the culture in several South American countries)? Please explain how that cultural change would not fundamentally alter the structure of our government and our freedoms.
The United States is culturally superior to every other nation, regardless of our racial composition, because in the past we were so good at inculcating immigrants with the "American" culture. Now we can't, because it isn't politically correct, and we will see serious repercussions from it. The solution isn't to end immigration; it is to restart our cultural education efforts...
There were no government documents printed in Italian and English. There were no separate Italian instructions when you called a toll free number or a government agency.
This was the message that I received as an immigrant in the early sixties: "Our culture (American) is dominant; your's (Italian ) is recessive; assimilate or be left behind.
My diet is still very much Italian (my first clue that American culture might be lacking was my introduction to the hotdog), I still speak Italian at home when I visit my parents. Even though I've only a high school education my English is spoken with near perfect diction, and without trace of accent. I gave up nothing throughout the process of assimilation and gained everything. It doesn't seem to me to be the same today.
That isn't to say I'm against immigation because I'm not. I realize that the reason so many hard working Mexicans come here is because it provides them with a better life. How can I possibly hold that against them? I also realize that I pay only $2.99/lb for mushrooms because the migrant worker will harvest them and my fat and lazy fellow Americans will not.
So God bless the immigrants of course, but I do think that the idea of America's greatness holds less sway than it did when I emigrated to the US.
Just for fun...the best of all worlds:
French cooks
German engineers
English police...
The worst of all worlds:
English cooks
French engineers
German police
And since I don't want to stop there...
Why are the boulevards in Paris lined with trees?....
So that the German soldiers can march perpetually in the shade. (He,he,he)
Absolutely. After all, Mormons and observing Catholics are some of the most rabid Nazis on earth, aren't they?
Ah yes, our vaunted superior business culture, the apotheosis of which is ..... ENRON!
ENRON demonstrates that white-bread, (christian) God-fearing, good-ole goobbers from Texas can lie, cheat and steal with the best of the third-world grifters. But you are right about one thing - we do have a superior business climate in this country. because those fine, upstanding crooks in Armani suits won't get away with it. Thanks to strong market regulation - enforced by agencies created by Teddy Roosevelt and the progressive Republicans - the Enron consigliari will be held accountable. It is rather humorous that the same folk who fume over immigration also deride agencies such as the Securities and Exchange Commission as "socialists." And that reminds me - from which cultural tradition did Karl Marx and Friedrich Engles spring?
Many immigrants come here to escape oppression and to enjoy our superior business climate. And once here, they are fiercely supportive and protective of our business climate and the system of regulation that keeps it honest - unlike many of the native-born, who constantly whine about "socialism." Perhaps that's because the immigrant know what true socialism is, and the native-born whiners simply don't have a clue.
Let's take this pari passu, shall we?
1. In 150 Years of Irish Immigration to the United States, some 4 Million Irishmen came (more or less legally) to the United States.
2. Most of them spoke English, were members of a Christian sect (although a somewhat unpopular group), were familiar (all too) with Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence, and mores.
3. More Mexicans have entered the US illegally in the last 5 years than all the legal Irish, Poles, and Eastern European Jewish immigrants combined. And as Pat Buchanan, that horrible racist, has pointed out, "there are many Mexicos."
When the US assimilated 5 Million Legal Italian Immigrants over a 50 year period, the ballot was not printed in their language ... indeed one could not vote without passing a rudimentary English test. Today, in LA alone, there are 5 Million people who do not speak English, and whose children (American Citizens) go to school in Spanish.
The point is, Buchanan Bashers, the numbers of Third World immigrants are of an entirely different magnitude ... say 20-1 ... over what the country assimilated with European immigration.
Most American families today have relatives by blood and marriage who have Irish, German, English, Polish, Italian, Russian, and even Jewish antecedents. How is this level of assimilation supposed to occur if the population base suddenly becomes 60% hispanic?
Buchanan is not saying this is a bad thing. Or a good thing. It is merely a true thing.
Yeah, right - that's why he titled his book "Death of the West."
"If present trends continue, by the end of the century Germany will be a nation with only 40-50 million inhabitants, and we know that on our borders other peoples are growing quickly and strongly. Sooner or later, these other peoples will come in conflict with a shrinking and dying German people, and the result of the supposed doctrine of happiness will be a hard and bitter national death for our children."
-- is it Pat, or is it (no)MEMOR(y)EX???
That's true of many immigrants but not all by a long shot. You could look around at certain areas with extremely high immigration and see how many are not working and are moving directly into housing projects. They are not learning English because they don't really care to compete for good jobs. I know of a 15 year old couple who came from Chihuahua and had a baby a few months later in the county hospital. They moved in with a relative also from Mexico who receives SSI and food stamps. The baby was born last March and neither parent is working yet. And we have a lot of that going on here.
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