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"Death of the West" -- Echoes from the Third Reich?

Posted on 01/04/2002 5:02:25 AM PST by Who is George Salt?

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To: Who is George Salt?
Cite the book.

Freepers can see for themselves rather than rely on your commie propaganda about what is in the book.

101 posted on 01/12/2002 7:39:38 AM PST by ex-snook
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To: The Southern Right Winger
There is no need to address your leading and presumptuous questions. The silly notion of the "takeover over America by those of a different cultural background than the founding fathers" was addressed by that greatest of American presidents - Abraham Lincoln - almost 145 years ago:

"They were speaking of British subjects on this continent being equal to British subjects born and residing in Great Britain!" Why, according to this, not only negroes but white people outside of Great Britain and America are not spoken of in that instrument. The English, Irish and Scotch, along with white Americans, were included to be sure, but the French, Germans and other white people of the world are all gone to pot along with the Judge’s inferior races. I had thought the Declaration promised something better than the condition of British subjects; but no, it only meant that we should be equal to them in their own oppressed and unequal condition. According to that, it gave no promise that having kicked off the King and Lords of Great Britain, we should not at once be saddled with a King and Lords of our own.

"... I understand you are preparing to celebrate the "Fourth," to-morrow week. What for? The doings of that day had no reference to the present;

and quite half of you are not even descendants of those who were referred to at that day.

"But I suppose you will celebrate; and will even go so far as to read the Declaration. Suppose after you read it once in the old fashioned way, you read it once more with Judge Douglas’ version. It will then run thus: "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all British subjects who were on this continent eighty-one years ago, were created equal to all British subjects born and then residing in Great Britain."

Hence, the silly notion of the "takeover over America by those of a different cultural background than the founding fathers" was ridiculous in 1857, and was rendered utterly absurd by subsequent waves of immigration.

102 posted on 01/13/2002 6:31:05 AM PST by Who is George Salt?
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To: Who is George Salt?
You're mixing race and culture here. I'm no Buchananite (far from it), but there is a difference between Nazi racial docrine and cutural concerns.

Just for the record, are you telling me that it will make NO difference in the freedom and opportunity offered by the United States if the culture changed from one that valued promises and written contracts, to one that sees promises and contracts as conveniences to be broken when they don't benefit you anymore or circumventend by bribes when inconvenient (as is the culture in several South American countries)? Please explain how that cultural change would not fundamentally alter the structure of our government and our freedoms.

The United States is culturally superior to every other nation, regardless of our racial composition, because in the past we were so good at inculcating immigrants with the "American" culture. Now we can't, because it isn't politically correct, and we will see serious repercussions from it. The solution isn't to end immigration; it is to restart our cultural education efforts...

103 posted on 01/13/2002 7:01:13 AM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin)
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To: Who is George Salt?
Buchanan's startling interview on the Alex Jones Show
104 posted on 01/13/2002 3:33:21 PM PST by expose
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To: DallasMike
You do God's work when you tell the truth. So God bless you!
105 posted on 01/13/2002 3:35:43 PM PST by Aedammair
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To: Aedammair
Boy this Nazi propaganda is turgid boring stuff...and they're writing about sex!
106 posted on 01/13/2002 3:38:38 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Speaking as an Italian immigrant I disagree with part of what you seem to be saying. Immigrants are treated somewhat differently than they were in 1958 when my parents and my brother and I emigrated to the US.

There were no government documents printed in Italian and English. There were no separate Italian instructions when you called a toll free number or a government agency.

This was the message that I received as an immigrant in the early sixties: "Our culture (American) is dominant; your's (Italian ) is recessive; assimilate or be left behind.

My diet is still very much Italian (my first clue that American culture might be lacking was my introduction to the hotdog), I still speak Italian at home when I visit my parents. Even though I've only a high school education my English is spoken with near perfect diction, and without trace of accent. I gave up nothing throughout the process of assimilation and gained everything. It doesn't seem to me to be the same today.

That isn't to say I'm against immigation because I'm not. I realize that the reason so many hard working Mexicans come here is because it provides them with a better life. How can I possibly hold that against them? I also realize that I pay only $2.99/lb for mushrooms because the migrant worker will harvest them and my fat and lazy fellow Americans will not.

So God bless the immigrants of course, but I do think that the idea of America's greatness holds less sway than it did when I emigrated to the US.

107 posted on 01/13/2002 4:05:14 PM PST by Aedammair
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To: Plutarch
That was funny! Great screen name, by the way!

Just for fun...the best of all worlds:

French cooks

German engineers

English police...

The worst of all worlds:

English cooks

French engineers

German police

And since I don't want to stop there...

Why are the boulevards in Paris lined with trees?....

So that the German soldiers can march perpetually in the shade. (He,he,he)

108 posted on 01/13/2002 4:11:05 PM PST by Aedammair
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To: Who is George Salt?
So having a large family is a Nazi plot?
109 posted on 01/13/2002 4:18:22 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
So having a large family is a Nazi plot?

Absolutely. After all, Mormons and observing Catholics are some of the most rabid Nazis on earth, aren't they?

110 posted on 01/13/2002 4:26:59 PM PST by arm958
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To: Who is George Salt?
PAT BETTER BE CAREFUL OR HE WILL SHARE FRANCIS YOCKEY'S FATE!
111 posted on 01/13/2002 4:34:09 PM PST by fightu4it
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To: Harbinger
bttt
113 posted on 01/13/2002 4:43:15 PM PST by fightu4it
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To: fightu4it
bttt
114 posted on 01/13/2002 4:43:50 PM PST by fightu4it
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To: fightu4it
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115 posted on 01/13/2002 4:44:22 PM PST by fightu4it
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Just for the record, are you telling me that it will make NO difference in the freedom and opportunity offered by the United States if the culture changed from one that valued promises and written contracts, to one that sees promises and contracts as conveniences to be broken when they don't benefit you anymore or circumventend by bribes when inconvenient (as is the culture in several South American countries)?

Ah yes, our vaunted superior business culture, the apotheosis of which is ..... ENRON!

ENRON demonstrates that white-bread, (christian) God-fearing, good-ole goobbers from Texas can lie, cheat and steal with the best of the third-world grifters. But you are right about one thing - we do have a superior business climate in this country. because those fine, upstanding crooks in Armani suits won't get away with it. Thanks to strong market regulation - enforced by agencies created by Teddy Roosevelt and the progressive Republicans - the Enron consigliari will be held accountable. It is rather humorous that the same folk who fume over immigration also deride agencies such as the Securities and Exchange Commission as "socialists." And that reminds me - from which cultural tradition did Karl Marx and Friedrich Engles spring?

Many immigrants come here to escape oppression and to enjoy our superior business climate. And once here, they are fiercely supportive and protective of our business climate and the system of regulation that keeps it honest - unlike many of the native-born, who constantly whine about "socialism." Perhaps that's because the immigrant know what true socialism is, and the native-born whiners simply don't have a clue.

116 posted on 01/13/2002 5:30:35 PM PST by Who is George Salt?
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To: VinnyTex;appypappy;who is george salt?
Gosh, one certainly tires of the "Irish" analogies offered up every time this immigration question is discussed.

Let's take this pari passu, shall we?

1. In 150 Years of Irish Immigration to the United States, some 4 Million Irishmen came (more or less legally) to the United States.

2. Most of them spoke English, were members of a Christian sect (although a somewhat unpopular group), were familiar (all too) with Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence, and mores.

3. More Mexicans have entered the US illegally in the last 5 years than all the legal Irish, Poles, and Eastern European Jewish immigrants combined. And as Pat Buchanan, that horrible racist, has pointed out, "there are many Mexicos."

When the US assimilated 5 Million Legal Italian Immigrants over a 50 year period, the ballot was not printed in their language ... indeed one could not vote without passing a rudimentary English test. Today, in LA alone, there are 5 Million people who do not speak English, and whose children (American Citizens) go to school in Spanish.

The point is, Buchanan Bashers, the numbers of Third World immigrants are of an entirely different magnitude ... say 20-1 ... over what the country assimilated with European immigration.

Most American families today have relatives by blood and marriage who have Irish, German, English, Polish, Italian, Russian, and even Jewish antecedents. How is this level of assimilation supposed to occur if the population base suddenly becomes 60% hispanic?

Buchanan is not saying this is a bad thing. Or a good thing. It is merely a true thing.

117 posted on 01/13/2002 6:05:56 PM PST by Francohio
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To: Francohio
Buchanan is not saying this is a bad thing. Or a good thing. It is merely a true thing.

Yeah, right - that's why he titled his book "Death of the West."

"If present trends continue, by the end of the century Germany will be a nation with only 40-50 million inhabitants, and we know that on our borders other peoples are growing quickly and strongly. Sooner or later, these other peoples will come in conflict with a shrinking and dying German people, and the result of the supposed doctrine of happiness will be a hard and bitter national death for our children."

-- is it Pat, or is it (no)MEMOR(y)EX???

118 posted on 01/13/2002 6:14:35 PM PST by Who is George Salt?
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To: Who is George Salt?
Many immigrants come here to escape oppression and to enjoy our superior business climate.

That's true of many immigrants but not all by a long shot. You could look around at certain areas with extremely high immigration and see how many are not working and are moving directly into housing projects. They are not learning English because they don't really care to compete for good jobs. I know of a 15 year old couple who came from Chihuahua and had a baby a few months later in the county hospital. They moved in with a relative also from Mexico who receives SSI and food stamps. The baby was born last March and neither parent is working yet. And we have a lot of that going on here.

119 posted on 01/13/2002 6:20:53 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Who is George Salt?
Someone told me that you are a
COMMIE PIG INFILTROPINKORATOR

but I told him that you aren't.

120 posted on 01/13/2002 6:28:53 PM PST by one2many
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