PAGE SIX/Lock & loaded (Keyes MSNBC Show?)

New York Post ^ | 1/04/02 | RICHARD JOHNSON with PAULA FROELICH and CHRIS WILSON

[kattracks]

THE folks at Msnbc are talking to former Republican presidential candidate and former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Alan Keyes about hosting a 10 p.m. show up against Fox News' new hire, Greta Van Susteren. Meanwhile, Van Susteren, a lawyer before her O.J. Simpson commentary turned her into a CNN star, reportedly has penned an eight-page memo detailing CNN's demerits. She plans to keep the document secret as long as CNN doesn't try to paint her as an ungrateful traitor.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

That's a damn lie.

It sure is and a pretty pathetic attempt at belittling Bush and Cheney. Real desperation inevitably reveals how low one will sink.

[seattlesue]

I fail to see the importance of reposting 399. All it says is Keyes sent out email on 10/19/00 supporting Bush and on 05/18/00 Keyes continues to run for the presidency. Neither of these makes mention of when Keyes made the decision to support Bush.

[exodus]

To: exodus
Howlin doesn't lie, make things up in order to refute another's post,
and YES, I saw here, what she has stated !

Those who no longer think that Alan Keyes is the GOP's answer to anything,
WERE told that we are immoral, and worse.
The stem cell threads got VICIOUS, and the regular GOPers ,
who disagreed with Keyes' wild eyed rant against President Bush's stance,
were called immoral, pro-choicers, pro-death, pro-abortionits, racists and a whole lot more.

I, for one, really used to like Keyes ; thought that he was great .
Then, he went off the deep end, and I began to rethink my opinion of him.
No, NOT because I disagreed with what he said.
I took a much closer look at EVERYTHING that he had said.
THE SCALES FELL FROM MY EYES.
If you don't believe me, or Howlin, go read the FR archieves !
# 508 by nopardons
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Is that what you were refering to, Howlin?
The Stem Cell Research threads?

If so, I remember them.
I don't remember a paid Keyes staff member
calling all who disagreed with Keyes position
an amoral person, and that is what has been alledged.

There was name calling on all sides
in the stem cell reasearch argument.

It wasn't restricted to the people
who disagreed with Bush's decision
to provide federal funds for stem cell research.

[who knows what evil?]

One good thing, we wouldn't have to worry about any new laws for 4 years.

My point exactly. Frankly, we should get to work REPEALING some of the laws currently on the books. (Holding my breath...)

[Sunsong]

Sure I admit my side is guilty of the same. The difference is that my side does not claim to be morally superior to everyone else. When set yourself above others, you have to live up to what you claim to be.

When you claim to be the moral leaders, then you need to really *be* that -- and that means your behavior has to be better than everyone elses or else your whole movement is tainted. See what I mean?

My side does not claim that people who disagree with us are immoral. GW says, "good people can disagree." I prefer his attitude in politcs that Alan Keyes' attitude.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Thought you might like this thread Cal.

Excuse me for laughing, but do you realize that by posting this you have validated what I referred to? You obviously knew who the description fit. TOO FUNNY !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Howlin]

What on EARTH are you ranting about? Since you obviously don't understand the English language, let me be the first to tell you, you were not just WRONG, but DEAD wrong.

....I remember some time back you ranting and raving that he only endorsed days' before, and it was brought up back then that it was 2 weeks or so before the election

What ARE you talking about? I said the end of October.

And even if I said "a few days" and it turned out to be "the end of October," it still makes Keyes look like a total A$$, and you, too, for trying to make the case that he supported Bush until the convention, which he did NOT.

You really are looking kind of desperate tonight.

[nopardons]

I used to think better of you. Using that " kneepad " line is beneath contemept , and you DO know better. Argue FACTS, and leave the personal attacks at the door.

Just sos you know, I do NOT " grovel " at any politicians feet, and DO hold drooling sycophants in contempt. I've PERSONALLY known far too many politicians and assorted other " famous " people, to be in " awe " of any of them.

[Howlin]

Oh, I'm sure she's reading it. If it gets pulled, you can bet on it.

[Howlin]

without the servility which you demand

Oh, look........the slave card........MASSA! ROFLMAO.

[EternalVigilance]

Let me post it here so you can tell us all why THESE people are not telling the truth:

Are you calling me a liar, Howlin??

I already explained this to you once...the October piece is an announcement to those who hadn't already heard, that Keyes had endorsed Bush...way back in July. Got it?

The second was way before Philly. Way before.

This is readily apparent to anybody who bothers to think about it.

[Howlin]

Where does it say in there that he has been supporting Bush since July?

Why wait until the end of October to "alert" his supporters that he had been endorsing Bush since July?

[habs4ever]

You're chewy '-) Go get 'em.This has been a fun read.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

wherein the flames WERE started and continued by by the Keysters.

Can you post one thread where Bush was attacked (not criticized) by one of the major Keyes supporters who are fairly well known here, before any Keyes basher posted an attack on Keyes?

[Rowdee]

AMELIA WROTE: "I believe what they are saying is that his campaign remains open, and he's still collecting money from anyone stupid enough to send it, even though the election was over a year ago"....

Exodus, what Amelia is alluding to is the common practice of virtually all campaigns....that is, staying open and collecting pledged money or other monies to pay off campaign debts. John Glen, took years and years to pay off his senatorial campaign debts...it is a very common practice of which the FEC is quite aware inasmuch as they continue getting reports until after campaigns are closed out. I rather doubt that those who made pledges of financing consider themselves stupid for honoring committments.

Amelia, I'm sure you already know this, but seeing as how I used your words, I figured you should be flagged.

[denydenydeny]

Let me educate you there. I voted for Alan Keyes in the primary last year....Ever since then, Keyes and his supporters have done nothing but attack GWB and I have to ask why? Steve Forbes doesn't do this.....

My experience parallels yours (I even wrote Keyes's name in because he wasn't on the ballot in Pennsylvania). I hope and believe, though, that Keyes is not as embittered as some of his supporters are.

Few things make me angrier than to see alleged conservatives making common cause with socialists just for the sake of trashing someone who dares to agree with them only 95 percent of the time.

I hope Keyes will make us proud to support him again.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

leave the personal attacks at the door.

I am sorry, but the gloves came off about 500 posts ago, and it is brass knuckles all the way now!!

[exodus]

"...So called " principled men " don't give aid and comfort to the enemy.
Keyes allows himself ( revels in, actually ! ) to be used as a tool
against his supposed party's president;
at every turn.
That is NOT being " principled " at all.
# 542 by nopardons
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I'm sorry, nopardons,
but that is really bad logic.

President Clinton's supporters were not patriotic,
they were actively supporting his treasonous activities.
When they cooperated with Clinton's lawbreaking,
they were acting as enemies of our country.

Do you agree with the last two statements?

[Howlin]

I'm not calling you anything. I'm asking you to reconcile the statements.

And where is the JULY EMAIL stating that Keyes was then supporting Bush.

Read the reply at the end of deport's post. The person who got the email -- which came daily from the Keyes 2000 campaign -- obviously hadn't heard it before. Why would they need to be "reminded" if they had already heard it?

[Old Fud]

I reiterate What, that he speaks clearly with regard to abortion, homosexuality, constitutional issues, and the moral cesspool that has become our nation? He discusses it. I'm willing to try. Please cite top-down examples of gop leadership regarding any of the above. That is, from mouth of GW. To my knowledge, there is none, but I'm willing to be corrected.

Look, I'm not spoilin', but give me an example of where your boy strikes against the above.