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FLASHBACK: China uses computers from U.S. illegally; Nuclear facility simulates blasts
drudgereport ^ | June 27,2000 (January 3, 2002) | Bill Gertz (Washington Times)

Posted on 01/03/2002 2:49:00 PM PST by OKCSubmariner

China's main nuclear weapons center is using U.S. supercomputers illegally to simulate warhead detonations without actual underground tests, The Washington Times has learned.

U.S.-origin high-performance computers are being used at the Chinese Academy of Engineering Physics, the main nuclear weapons facility in Beijing. The facility is viewed by officials as China's version of Los Alamos National Laboratory, according to Clinton administration intelligence officials.

The use of U.S. supercomputers - with computational speeds of billions of operations per second or faster - at the nuclear facility was outlined in a report classified "top-secret" and circulated among senior U.S. national security officials last month, said the officials who have seen it. They discussed some elements of the report on the condition of anonymity. Disclosure of the use of U.S. computers to help develop China's nuclear arms comes as the Clinton administration and Congress are considering new measures to loosen exports of American-made high-performance computers.

An amendment to the current defense authorization bill President Clinton signed in February further relaxed export rules on advanced computers, allowing U.S. manufacturers to begin selling faster systems on Aug. 15.

Officials did not identify the U.S. manufacturers of the systems or how they were obtained.

Supercomputer sales have been restricted because they are crucial elements for designing and developing nuclear weapons, missiles and advanced conventional arms, according to defense officials.

Additionally, the U.S. intelligence community reported last month that China is expanding a nuclear research facility at Mianyang. The so-called "Science City" there is working on both nuclear weapons and civilian energy research, the intelligence officials said.

The reported supercomputer use at the nuclear facility is the third time China's government has been detected diverting U.S.-origin computers to defense facilities.

In 1997, China agreed to return a Silicon Graphics supercomputer that was illegally diverted through a Hong Kong front company to a Chinese defense facility.

A White House National Security Council spokesman declined to comment, citing a policy of not talking about intelligence matters.

A U.S. intelligence official who was not familiar with the report said that it has been difficult for U.S. intelligence agencies to learn whether China is using complete U.S. advanced computers, or whether they are using a combination of U.S. components and homemade systems.

According to Clinton administration officials, the president hopes to dramatically ease export control on high-powered computers.

An amendment to the current defense authorization bill sponsored by Sen. Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, would make it easier for the president to change the export rules by reducing a congressional notification period from 180 days to 30 days.

The argument of some officials who support the changes is that the systems are so widely available that controlling them is futile.

Other officials who oppose the decontrol note that the United States produced the best and fastest supercomputers and that they should not be exported to countries that could use them against the United States, like China.

A Senate national security aide said the administration "failed completely" to win Chinese government cooperation in checking on the end use of U.S. computers sold during the 1990s.

"That's why the Chinese know that they can use these computers with impunity," the aide said, noting that the relaxation of controls "has been a disaster for U.S. national security."

Stephen Bryen, a Pentagon export-control official during the Reagan administration, said he predicted in the early 1990s that U.S. supercomputers would be used by China for developing advanced nuclear weapons.

"That's been the great worry about transfers of supercomputers," he said. "That they would be able to design a new generation of smaller warheads that can fit on smaller missiles or which can be MIRVed" - multiple, independently targetable re-entry vehicles, or multiple warheads.

Mr. Bryen said in an interview that the United States was able to radically reduce the number of actual underground nuclear tests needed for developing new warheads, from several hundred to about five.

"This is not good news for us because the Chinese can do a lot of this covertly," he said. "It will be hard for us to know their capabilities, and we will have a difficult time understanding the threat."

The report by the special House committee that investigated Chinese spying and technology acquisition stated that there is limited information on China's use of U.S. supercomputers. However, the report said that the panel "judges that the People's Republic of China has been using high performance computers for nuclear weapons applications."

The report stated that under relaxed export rules, China may have purchased as many as 603 high-speed computers between 1996 and 1998.

Following the illegal diversion to defense use of several U.S. supercomputers by Russia and China, Congress in 1998 passed a law requiring tighter restrictions.

The law required exporters to notify the government before selling supercomputers to nations like China and Russia.

The U.S. computer industry opposed the requirement and has lobbied instead for further relaxation of controls as computer computational capabilities increased.

In July, Mr. Clinton loosened the restrictions further to allow exports of machines capable of 6.5 billion operations per second, and in February announced he will allow sales of computers that carry out 12.5 billion operations per second.

According to the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control, the Chinese Academy of Engineering Physics was identified in June 1997 as an "entity of concern," a designation that warned American exporters that the institute was involved in defense programs.


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To: Howlin
let me quickly correct this typo:
"When I see you flat out lying in a thread - I'm going to respond. (be clued in here Howlin, this will in - NO WAY - be a form of HASSLING YOU!"

You slander the good Mr Klayman Howlin, or state falsehoods about him or others I respect -
_ I will be pinging you to prove up any such slander. (I'll be polite, but I will be..pinging you! Understand!

141 posted on 01/11/2002 9:24:56 AM PST by ChaseR
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To: ChaseR
I'm only telling you one more time; stop pinging me.
142 posted on 01/11/2002 9:31:12 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin; KLT; Victoria Delsoul; abigail2; veronica; BeAChooser; OKCSubmariner; onyx; Mercuria...
"I'm only telling you one more time; stop pinging me."

Rofl, right lady. What you're telling me is that you want me to stop CHALLENGING you when it comes to whatever you want to post. That sure would make your day much easier huh Howlin.
Now look Howlin, you and I have been going round and round since day one. When I see you post lies about Larry Klayman, which you do in every JW thread, well, what you want to do is hush me up/expect me not to respond - you want me - Not to challenge you /Not to say anything. That Won't Happen Howlin. If you can't take the heat, you'd best quit with the slander/in fact, you might want to quit posting here at a public forum.
FR posters and FR lurkers, Howlin is not going to get away with this. If she (or others) could come to FR and slander whomever they want - and then point out that they don't want - ***certain posters*** - to be able to object with her - (on her slanderous statements) - then, what kind of a world would that be?? What kind of a forum would that be??

No Howlin, Won't Happen!
(above, when Black Jade posted the link to the "Bin Laden Family..." thread and I go there and I see Howlin's slanderous statements, I'm going to bring these slanderous statements - right back in her face, in any like threads I so deem necessary)
(Now Howlin, I politely say, go out a purchase a better tin-foil hat or - take that face of yours and go into your closet and let more wrinkles set in....ok.

143 posted on 01/11/2002 9:52:56 AM PST by ChaseR
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To: Howlin
(notice Howlin, that I've pinged a lot of female posters - friends of mine - who'll witness that my aboves to you - were not in any way nasty or four-lettered. (and they have never been nasty or four-lettered/and they never will be -- [of course, the wrinkles, those wrinkles, no way to stop those]
144 posted on 01/11/2002 9:57:11 AM PST by ChaseR
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To: ChaseR
Knock it off.
145 posted on 01/11/2002 10:00:32 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator
Sure, but wanted to post that certain posters - can not, post slanderous statements - and then - attempt to - block out any rebutal from other posters about such slander. If this reasoning is wrong, if this doesn't make sense, then I'm gone.
146 posted on 01/11/2002 10:06:12 AM PST by ChaseR
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To: OKCSubmariner
BTTT
147 posted on 01/11/2002 2:40:29 PM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: ChaseR
Thanks! : )
149 posted on 01/11/2002 7:40:36 PM PST by goldilucky
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To: Snow Bunny
Good evening. I certainly don't have much to favor in the Clintons myself. They both make me sick. Gore is just as bad.
150 posted on 01/11/2002 7:44:29 PM PST by goldilucky
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To: ChaseR
I am a JW supporter and I wish to see where Howlin has slandered Klayman! Admin Moderator may stop you from pinging Howlin but I wish to see where the slandering posts are.
151 posted on 01/11/2002 7:52:45 PM PST by goldilucky
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To: Black Jade
"I think most of the support for Buchanan was more of an anti-CFR and anti-NWO vote than a really pro-Buchanan vote. Same with Ralph Nader."
You are correct about this!
152 posted on 01/11/2002 8:00:23 PM PST by goldilucky
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To: Mudboy Slim
Yes it would be nice to have just one decent honest person to run this country.
153 posted on 01/11/2002 8:02:15 PM PST by goldilucky
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To: goldilucky
"I am a JW supporter and I wish to see where Howlin has slandered Klayman!"

Oh good gosh, there are so many to pick from/I'll ck my bookmarks - and find some, but after todays thrashing - I'll sit back a bit/I already saw FR DISAPPEAR OFF MY PUTER SCREEN EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON/I myself, might be nearing the 'end of the line' here at FR....anyway - -
I'll find some of *** "that person's" *** slandering remarks about Klayman, but I'll wait a day or so, see if I'm still here/bttt

154 posted on 01/11/2002 8:43:06 PM PST by ChaseR
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To: goldilucky
(I just tried to type in - - "that persons" - - in the address box - hmmm, won't work/rofl)bttt
155 posted on 01/11/2002 8:44:47 PM PST by ChaseR
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To: Black Jade
"It is counterproductive to ping anyone who doesn't want to be notified."

Well, put that way, I suppose you're right. bttt

156 posted on 01/11/2002 8:50:03 PM PST by ChaseR
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157 posted on 01/17/2002 9:41:08 AM PST by ChaseR
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