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Why Christians Don't Understand Non-Christians
ArGee | 1/3/01 | ArGee

Posted on 01/03/2002 11:19:13 AM PST by ArGee

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To: lexcorp; ArGee
Unfortunately, I've looked on Christianity from both these perspectives. The only difference is the glasses used to look at the tent. The glasses themselves are a free gift, but I think you have to ask even for them. These glasses are called "faith."

To me, it is clear which version lexcorp paints is correct, and scripture foretells the hucksters who would lead outsiders astray.

But lexcorp's barbs are still valid points. It is the mystery of iniquity.

282 posted on 01/03/2002 5:01:29 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: week 71
My only concern is when another's reason, such as Hitler, says it is for the betterment of humanity that we kill certain people.

Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, The Crusaders, The Inquisitors, and countless other butchers throughout history, have perverted both reason and religion to accomplish their aims.

But the abuses of Hitler were not an indictment of reason, any more than the abuses of the Inquisitors were an indictment of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Hitler's actions objectively defied reason.

The inquisitor's actions defied the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Although both Hitler and the Inquisitors thought otherwise, they were both objectively and demonstrably wrong.

283 posted on 01/03/2002 5:01:42 PM PST by OWK
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To: ArGee
Nice job.
284 posted on 01/03/2002 5:03:03 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: the_doc
RE: your post 275. I agree. I used to be an "intellectual agnostic" and I know how tough they can be. I had to go back and actually read the bible as well as other historic writings about Jesus before I actually accepted Him as my personal Lord and savior.

You can no more convert someone hostile to Christianity to accept Christ than you can convince a Clinton lover that Clinton may have done something wrong. It takes a miracle to turn their heart around, as mine was. All we can do is share the Good News and let the Holy Spirit do the rest.

It is frustrating sometimes, though. It really is like trying to get people to buy Microsoft stock right after it went public and having people treat you like you're trying to get them to go to an Amway meeting.

Oh well. We are living in skeptical times.

285 posted on 01/03/2002 5:04:12 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: lexcorp
I guess it's a good thing that nobody has ever used a religious text such as, oh, say, THE BIBLE, to justify things like genocide (ahemCaananitesahem) or slavery.

Misapplication of the Bible or any religious text will doubtless always be. However more people were killed last century in the name of no religion by orders of magnitude. 10s of millions in russia and 10s of millions in china. THe question will remain why is that a bad thing. Especailly considering overpopulation. I would submit there is a moral Law, written by God.

286 posted on 01/03/2002 5:05:11 PM PST by week 71
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To: OWK
...but the denial and subjugation of knowledge wouldn't seem to be an attribute of a loving God.

Certainly not ;-)

287 posted on 01/03/2002 5:07:07 PM PST by BMCDA
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To: OWK
Although both Hitler and the Inquisitors thought otherwise, they were both objectively and demonstrably wrong.

I don't see how anything can be objectively wrong in a Godless world view, but I sense will never be on the same page, so I respectly will allow you the last word if you so desire. Cheers

288 posted on 01/03/2002 5:09:20 PM PST by week 71
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To: ArGee
Great Article. Now can someone tell me how to bookmark now that the setup has changed?
289 posted on 01/03/2002 5:11:20 PM PST by dpa5923
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To: AAABEST
Put your thinking cap on and come up with reasons (for arguments sake) why such an action would be beneficial to long-haul humanity. BTW, the Sodomites would all be long dead now anyway.

Beneficial to long term humanity? Is God a socialist? Willing to sacrifice the lives of the few, to the needs of the many? And what of the individuals in question? Doesn't killing them deprive them of any opportunity to repent? That hardly seems like the action of a loving God.

And what about the suggestion on the part of most Christians, that overt acceptance of Jesus Christ is a requirement for entering the kingdom of heaven? Does this mean that someone unlucky enough to have been born a Yak-herder in the backwaters of Tibet, never having heard of Jesus, will be slow-roasted on a lake of fire for all eternity, because he never had the opportunity to even hear of Jesus, much less accept him?

What kind of cosmic practical joke would that be?

There sure are a lot of things that don't make any sense about this stuff.

290 posted on 01/03/2002 5:11:25 PM PST by OWK
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To: ArGee
Non Christians wish to not believe in anything bur themselves, moral or immoral behavior is just fine. However, when it comes to paying the consequence- going to hell, are they ever ugly. It's just another choice in life - either you believe and put your faith and trust in Him or you don't. If you do, you will be rewarded. If you don't THEN ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES.
291 posted on 01/03/2002 5:14:07 PM PST by nmh
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To: week 71
I don't see how anything can be objectively wrong in a Godless world view, but I sense will never be on the same page, so I respectly will allow you the last word if you so desire. Cheers

I'm not sure why objectivity requires God. In fact, it would seem somewhat counter-intuitive.

But nevertheless, I thank you for the warm and cordial conversation, and leave you with the expression that you represent your faith well.

Regards.

292 posted on 01/03/2002 5:14:10 PM PST by OWK
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To: ArGee
As many on this Forum know, I am an elderly Jew who is totally satisfied with what Judaism offers. Judaism is much more emphatic about living the proper life here on earth than most other religions. The Ten Commandments are not "suggestions", and their violation is not something easily remediated by confession or "finding God".

Nevertheless, God tells us that in the long run, ALL GOOD MEN GO TO HEAVEN (including those who do not believe as we do).

293 posted on 01/03/2002 5:14:17 PM PST by Magician
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To: nmh
Non Christians wish to not believe in anything bur themselves, moral or immoral behavior is just fine.

Pardon my saying so... but I am not only a non-Christian, but a non-believer in ANY god or mythos.

And yet I hold my moral code to be absolute and objective.

Immoral behavior is NOT just fine with me.

294 posted on 01/03/2002 5:16:32 PM PST by OWK
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To: ArGee
What do either you or I care about what other men say about G-d.

The issue is what He says about Himself.

He has been widely quoted, but also so variously that at least some have to be misquotes. Indeed God's agents seem to agree that He is generally misquoted, except by themselves and (most of) their co-religionists. Maybe they are all misquotes? So far no clarifications of the matter have been issued directly from the head office.

295 posted on 01/03/2002 5:17:47 PM PST by Stultis
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To: OWK
"Why do you fear him?"

That's upper case "H" for Him. Have alittle respect.

Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Indeed He is love but He also punishes. Unlike you, I don't want to be on His wrong side.

Understand, it is YOU not me who will pay dearly for disbelief. Go ahead and laugh. Mock me with another reply which I will ignore BUT it is YOU who will pay the consequence for your disbelief. There is more than enough evidence out there for persuasion. You simply chose NOT to accept it and believe in yourself instead. It's just another choice we make in life - belief or disbelief.

While there is time, I reconsider. Things are moving along out there and it ALL matches up with God's Word, the Bible.

296 posted on 01/03/2002 5:19:05 PM PST by nmh
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To: nmh
Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

Fear is not wisdom.

It is fear.

297 posted on 01/03/2002 5:22:30 PM PST by OWK
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To: MissAmericanPie
"Why Christians Don't Understand Non-Christians"

Actually it is Christians who DO understand non-Christians since they were once NON-Christians. Trust me, you don't hop out of Mom and declare yourself a "Christian" in cooing sounds. It is the NON Chrristian that doesn't understand Christianity and has chosen to REJECT it whether they understand it or not. What buggs NON Christians is the peace of mind that Christians have. Non Christians also get angry about their final fate, hell. Yet, it is a decision they can easily change. I find most non Christians to be self absorbed and very illogical.

298 posted on 01/03/2002 5:25:21 PM PST by nmh
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To: nmh
Understand, it is YOU not me who will pay dearly for disbelief.

If your god is so horrific that he would condemn those he created and claims to love, to an eternity of torment and pain, simply because they did not believe in him, or never heard of him.... Then let him send me to hell.

I want no part of such a god.

299 posted on 01/03/2002 5:25:58 PM PST by OWK
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To: kezekiel
You wrote:

for the story to be analagous for non-believers, God would have to reveal himself, reveal heaven, and dialog with humanity in a direct sense. Seeing as how He hasn't chosen to do it quite that way, we're left with imperfect parables to describe the perfect.

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You pre-suppose that God has NOT chosen to do it quite that way!

What do you imagine the authors of the Gospel of John to be saying, when they say "We have SEEN his glory!" ???

You have discounted the ugly (to some) doctrine of ELECTION, where he reveals himself to those of HIS own choosing.

THEY understand the parables PERFECTLY.

And they are PERFECT!

300 posted on 01/03/2002 5:27:30 PM PST by Sola Sola
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