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To: MadIvan
Question 1: Who gets to decide who is "American" or not? The answer obviously is government, according to Comrade Pat.

On this side of the pond, dear Ivan, we the people are the government. So the answer to your question is the American people decide.

Question 2: How will this "Americaness" (sic) be determined? You can be born in America, speak English as a native tongue and have an American passport yet be on "the other side" - witness Berkeley.

Since I and countless others believe that America has a rich and unique culture, those ‘on the other side’ are Americans in name only. I’m quite certain Sir Winston would have considered them for some eugenics study had they been British during the London blitz...

Question 3: What happened to the idea that the government should not play a role in social engineering? It didn't work when the leftists tried it, why should Pat be any more successful?

Since when is the acknowledgement and acceptance of our American culture ‘social engineering’?

299 posted on 01/04/2002 3:30:55 AM PST by Jethro Tull
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To: Jethro Tull
Now, Herr Ivan, I must go and walk my aging Golden Retriever, Lester.

I fear if I don't, he'll do a 'Churchill' on the carpet...

300 posted on 01/04/2002 3:35:03 AM PST by Jethro Tull
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To: Jethro Tull
Question 1: Who gets to decide who is "American" or not? The answer obviously is government, according to Comrade Pat.

On this side of the pond, dear Ivan, we the people are the government. So the answer to your question is the American people decide.

Sounds rather like the socialists saying that the government is the extension of "the will of the people" and therefore it is the only body competent enough to make economic and social decisions. But at rate, to suggest that the government is a direct expression of the will of the people, rather than an interest group in and of itself is laughable - was it the "will of the people" to raid Waco, snatch Elian or impose income tax on themselves? Get real, the government is often the problem, as Ronald Reagan clearly stated.

Having demolished that nonsense, let's see what we find....

Question 2: How will this "Americaness" (sic) be determined? You can be born in America, speak English as a native tongue and have an American passport yet be on "the other side" - witness Berkeley.

Since I and countless others believe that America has a rich and unique culture, those ‘on the other side’ are Americans in name only. I’m quite certain Sir Winston would have considered them for some eugenics study had they been British during the London blitz...


Doesn't answer the question. Comrade Pat wants to save a culture by encourage the birthrate of those who are "culturally acceptable". How is this determined? What mechanism is used to discern who is and who isn't? You have totally failed to answer this and instead retreat to your usual line of anti-British propaganda. Maybe your fellow Patsies are stupid enough to buy this but no one else will be.

Question 3: What happened to the idea that the government should not play a role in social engineering? It didn't work when the leftists tried it, why should Pat be any more successful?

Since when is the acknowledgement and acceptance of our American culture ‘social engineering’?


Mindless platitudes. You haven't identified the mechanism that is going to sort out the "culturally acceptable" Americans from those who are not, you have basically just said that the government, which did such a bang up job in determining which Cuban refugees should be shot up with happy juice and deported, is going to be administering this process, and finally now you're running away from the fact that the government tinkering with society like this is indeed social engineering.

Your answers may cut it with the Sinn Fein IRA admiration society after a few pints but not here. Try again.

Ivan

302 posted on 01/04/2002 3:38:56 AM PST by MadIvan
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