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It's evening in America, Buchanan says, and immigrants are to blame (Buchanan interview)
Fort Worth Star-Telegram | 1/03/2002 | Jeff Guinn (Books Editor)

Posted on 01/03/2002 7:56:52 AM PST by sinkspur

Pat Buchanan is aware that potential readers of his new book already either adore him or disdain everything he writes "because I am the one writing it."

So in The Death of the West: How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization (Thomas Dunne Books/St. Martin's Press, $25.95), the ex-presidential candidate and conservative pundit is trying to back up his apocalyptic projections with facts and figures provided by such disparate sources as "Russian leader Mr. Putin, a British archbishop and the United Nations. By drawing on what anyone would have to consider neutral sources, this makes my message far more powerful."

The gist of The Death of the West's messages:

Low birthrates are decimating the population of almost every European country - by 2050, only one-tenth of the world's population (America included) will be of European descent.

The unchecked influx of immigrants into America, legal and otherwise, is gradually handing the nation over to insurgents who come to force their foreign values on us rather than accepting ours.

Political correctness on the part of unwitting Americans plays into the hands of those who intend to obliterate our culture.

The events of Sept. 11 may provide enough of a wake-up call, Buchanan says, to make "the death of the West" only a threat rather than a certainty.

"The book is about a point I've been making for a long time, that the West is dying," Buchanan says during a lengthy phone conversation. "If we don't change how we do things, we'll be gone by the middle of this century, if not before. The horror of Sept. 11, I think, awoke a lot of Americans to new realities. It's a healthy thing to remember there are people out there who want to destroy us."

In Buchanan's opinion, it took terrorist attacks on New York City and the Washington, D.C., area to drive that message home to an American public more intent on hedonism than heroism.

"The '90s were a time of prosperity I've likened to the 1920s," Buchanan says. "The '20s were about money, drinking, jazz. The '90s were money, drugs, rock. The '20s ended with the stock market crash, the Depression, then on to Hitler, Tojo, Stalin. The 1990s ended on Sept. 11. We're at the kind of place Walter Lippmann called 'a plastic moment,' a time when people can change their destiny. I hope this book helps that. I'm not so much predicting these awful things will happen as saying, 'This is what the end is if the numbers remain the same.' "

Not that he holds much hope: "To many American young people, people like me belong to a bad old era. They've been taught that in school, indoctrinated in it. They want to say goodbye to the way our generation did things. This is why I don't think much will be done about the problems we face."

Buchanan acknowledges he's saying things that most Americans would prefer not to hear and that many condemn as racist and inflammatory.

"My response is that it's too late in the day for political correctness," he says. "After Sept. 11, with those acts perpetrated by people we literally welcomed into this country, Americans ought to be aware there is such a thing as too much diversity, too much welcoming. Look: I've said that if you bring 100 Zulu tribesmen into Virginia and 1 million British, the British would be assimilated more comfortably. I base that on those British coming into an American culture based on English law and tradition. And when I said that, something that seems like a simple statement, I've been accused of racism."

Now, Buchanan says, "I could substitute Iranians or Saudis for the Zulu, and people might understand." And, he adds, originally citing the Zulus was in no way racist "because I'm friends with the Zulu ruler. It's just a matter of acknowledging the differences in culture."

Potential immigrants should be judged by one measure, Buchanan adds: "Are they likely to carry on our culture, which makes America a unique country and civilization? Or are they not?"

Population explosions in Islamic, African and Latin American nations are coinciding with a decline in the U.S. birthrate, Buchanan notes, citing U.N. studies. To bolster "American cultural" numbers, Buchanan concludes in The Death of the West, American women should be encouraged via tax breaks to increase the country's population: "A free society cannot force women to have children, but a healthy society can reward those who preserve it by doing so."

Though he doesn't broach the subject in The Death of the West, in conversation Buchanan is willing to also discuss his own future.

"Politically speaking, I ran two times for the Republican nomination," he says. "We came close in '96, and we'd have gotten it instead of [Bob] Dole with one more primary win. In 2000, we tried to create a new party. It didn't work. So my political career is probably over."

But Buchanan has no intention of abandoning public debate.

"I've done my best to say the things I thought necessary, and I intend to keep writing books and to keep speaking out," he says. "I love doing it. I hope the Lord gives me 25 more years. If people don't like me or my message, well, that's not my concern. Political correctness is almost an impenetrable shield of basic realities."

For education and discussion purposes only.


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To: eskimo
Examples, please.
61 posted on 01/03/2002 11:01:23 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Ditto
I haven't read the book, but will offer my two cents. I don't care what color a new immigrant to the U.S. is; I don't care what language they speak, what culture they're from, what God they worship. What I DO expect them to do is to assimilate. To learn the English language. To have respect for American institutions. Unfortunately, the dominant trend of thought in America today is 'multiculturalism', which teaches that no culture is superior to any other and that there is no need to assimilate. This is madness. But multiculturalists aren't interested in the survival of the United States and its ideals; most favor a one-world government.
62 posted on 01/03/2002 11:01:52 AM PST by Calico Cat
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
Two things. One on farms, kids can be an economic asset. The rural population was somewhat higher than. More importantly, a much smaller percentage of the population insisted on maintaining a resolutely middle class life style, and sending their kids to college.
63 posted on 01/03/2002 11:03:04 AM PST by Torie
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To: eskimo
Does it not bother you that many in the present administration are members of Marxist organizations?

Which ones? Please name names, along with the Marxist organizations in which they have membership.

64 posted on 01/03/2002 11:03:22 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Thorin
Buchanan treats the declining birth rates throughout the West primarily as a symptom of this broader Marxist-inspired malaise.

That is the fundamental problem with his position. The reality is that declining birthrates are the result of the transition from subsistence agriculture (the state of most of mankind for most of its existence) to an industrial economy. The same effect is now kicking into effect in the developing world generally -- it is simply more advanced in the West because the West got a head start.

65 posted on 01/03/2002 11:05:59 AM PST by steve-b
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To: eskimo
Does it not bother you that many in the present administration are members of Marxist organizations?

No, since obviously your definition of "Marxist" is ideosyncratic. Are you the guy that once posted that Dick Cheney belonged to a Marxist organization? What was it, the CFR or something?

66 posted on 01/03/2002 11:06:16 AM PST by Torie
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Very good point Earl. I always thought that the "West" was more of an ideal and philosophy than anything racial. Pat reminds me of one of those early 20th century racial theorists with this new book.
68 posted on 01/03/2002 11:08:28 AM PST by Mr.Clark
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To: Either/Or
Actually, I'm not sure Pat likes anyone very much other than pre Vatican II Catholics. So you are right, race per se might not be Pat's main obsession.
69 posted on 01/03/2002 11:11:47 AM PST by Torie
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To: Catspaw
Which ones?

You can not possibly be unaware of the fact that the administration is packed with CFR members.

The CFR was founded by a notorious Marxist for the purpose of bringing socialism to America.

Perhaps you know of a formal change in the mission statement of that organization. Please show us if you do.

70 posted on 01/03/2002 11:14:59 AM PST by eskimo
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To: eskimo
Please list the names of the persons who belong to the organization and the source of your information, please.
71 posted on 01/03/2002 11:16:21 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Mr.Clark
Buchanan states that one million Englishmen could assimilate more easily than one hundred Zulus.

But neither the English or the Zulus are breaking down America's doors.

The real question is whether 100 non-english speaking Bosnians can assimilate any better than 100 non-english speaking Latinos.

I think skin color here makes little difference.

72 posted on 01/03/2002 11:17:13 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Either/Or
You bring up fundamentalist Muslims, but that's not the big immigration problem, is it? It's those Catholic Mexicans. And the Muslims aren't exactly exploding in population compared to the Indians, Chinese and East Africans. Immigration and de-culturalization are myths. America hasn't lost it's culture, because America doesn't have a rigid, defined culture. On Saint Patrick's day (Irish immigrant influence), you can catch people drinking a Budweiser (German immigrant company) at La Mex (Mexican immigrant influence) in New Orleans (French cultural city). What is more American than that? Consider the following words and phrases: lasagna, bratwurst, "Auld Lang Syne", karate, Hasta La Vista. Can you imagine a culture that has room for all of those? There is one. It's called the American culture and it's the greatest in the world because it's unassailable. It's like the Borg from Star Trek, it assimilates everything and takes the best of what it absorbs into itself and becomes stronger because of it.
74 posted on 01/03/2002 11:18:16 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Catspaw
The very fact that you need to define "our culture" demonstrates that you have already accepted the multicultural premises. Everybody knows what "our culture" is...and if you have to ask, then you wouldn't understand anyway.
75 posted on 01/03/2002 11:18:32 AM PST by quebecois
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Pat Buchanan's tax break makes no sense. America would be paying these 'problem people' to have more children- which means more poor blacks, more Spanish speaking children and a bigger mini-Hanoi.

How does the govt pay people with the people's own money that they earned?

76 posted on 01/03/2002 11:20:15 AM PST by PuNcH
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To: Catspaw
Those who think that an 80-plus-year-old organization will have the same exact ideals and beliefs as its founders obviously never played "Telephone" as a child.

Michael Flynn had a good novel about it called "In the Country of the Blind."

77 posted on 01/03/2002 11:20:27 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: eskimo
You can not possibly be unaware of the fact that the administration is packed with CFR members.

The CFR was founded by a notorious Marxist for the purpose of bringing socialism to America.

And the Pope is opposed to abortion. By your logic, that makes Catholic Ted Kennedy a pro-life Senator.

78 posted on 01/03/2002 11:22:37 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Poohbah
...the Brigadiers, many of whom seem intent on turning FR into StormFront Lite..

LOL

79 posted on 01/03/2002 11:22:44 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: quebecois
The very fact that you need to define "our culture" demonstrates that you have already accepted the multicultural premises. Everybody knows what "our culture" is...and if you have to ask, then you wouldn't understand anyway.

Looks like you can't define it, otherwise you wouldn't have tried the spin.

80 posted on 01/03/2002 11:24:34 AM PST by Catspaw
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