It's evening in America, Buchanan says, and immigrants are to blame (Buchanan interview)

Pat Buchanan is aware that potential readers of his new book already either adore him or disdain everything he writes "because I am the one writing it."

So in The Death of the West: How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization (Thomas Dunne Books/St. Martin's Press, $25.95), the ex-presidential candidate and conservative pundit is trying to back up his apocalyptic projections with facts and figures provided by such disparate sources as "Russian leader Mr. Putin, a British archbishop and the United Nations. By drawing on what anyone would have to consider neutral sources, this makes my message far more powerful."

Low birthrates are decimating the population of almost every European country - by 2050, only one-tenth of the world's population (America included) will be of European descent.

The unchecked influx of immigrants into America, legal and otherwise, is gradually handing the nation over to insurgents who come to force their foreign values on us rather than accepting ours.

Political correctness on the part of unwitting Americans plays into the hands of those who intend to obliterate our culture.

The events of Sept. 11 may provide enough of a wake-up call, Buchanan says, to make "the death of the West" only a threat rather than a certainty.

"The book is about a point I've been making for a long time, that the West is dying," Buchanan says during a lengthy phone conversation. "If we don't change how we do things, we'll be gone by the middle of this century, if not before. The horror of Sept. 11, I think, awoke a lot of Americans to new realities. It's a healthy thing to remember there are people out there who want to destroy us."

In Buchanan's opinion, it took terrorist attacks on New York City and the Washington, D.C., area to drive that message home to an American public more intent on hedonism than heroism.

"The '90s were a time of prosperity I've likened to the 1920s," Buchanan says. "The '20s were about money, drinking, jazz. The '90s were money, drugs, rock. The '20s ended with the stock market crash, the Depression, then on to Hitler, Tojo, Stalin. The 1990s ended on Sept. 11. We're at the kind of place Walter Lippmann called 'a plastic moment,' a time when people can change their destiny. I hope this book helps that. I'm not so much predicting these awful things will happen as saying, 'This is what the end is if the numbers remain the same.' "

Not that he holds much hope: "To many American young people, people like me belong to a bad old era. They've been taught that in school, indoctrinated in it. They want to say goodbye to the way our generation did things. This is why I don't think much will be done about the problems we face."

Buchanan acknowledges he's saying things that most Americans would prefer not to hear and that many condemn as racist and inflammatory.

"My response is that it's too late in the day for political correctness," he says. "After Sept. 11, with those acts perpetrated by people we literally welcomed into this country, Americans ought to be aware there is such a thing as too much diversity, too much welcoming. Look: I've said that if you bring 100 Zulu tribesmen into Virginia and 1 million British, the British would be assimilated more comfortably. I base that on those British coming into an American culture based on English law and tradition. And when I said that, something that seems like a simple statement, I've been accused of racism."

Now, Buchanan says, "I could substitute Iranians or Saudis for the Zulu, and people might understand." And, he adds, originally citing the Zulus was in no way racist "because I'm friends with the Zulu ruler. It's just a matter of acknowledging the differences in culture."

Potential immigrants should be judged by one measure, Buchanan adds: "Are they likely to carry on our culture, which makes America a unique country and civilization? Or are they not?"

Population explosions in Islamic, African and Latin American nations are coinciding with a decline in the U.S. birthrate, Buchanan notes, citing U.N. studies. To bolster "American cultural" numbers, Buchanan concludes in The Death of the West, American women should be encouraged via tax breaks to increase the country's population: "A free society cannot force women to have children, but a healthy society can reward those who preserve it by doing so."

Though he doesn't broach the subject in The Death of the West, in conversation Buchanan is willing to also discuss his own future.

"Politically speaking, I ran two times for the Republican nomination," he says. "We came close in '96, and we'd have gotten it instead of [Bob] Dole with one more primary win. In 2000, we tried to create a new party. It didn't work. So my political career is probably over."

"I've done my best to say the things I thought necessary, and I intend to keep writing books and to keep speaking out," he says. "I love doing it. I hope the Lord gives me 25 more years. If people don't like me or my message, well, that's not my concern. Political correctness is almost an impenetrable shield of basic realities."

He thinks (post 304) that exporting democracy is equivalent to exporting socialism, that exporting any sort of governmental form is exporting "the problem" and that talk of democracy and democratic values are "nonsense". (and then you have the balls to accuse paleo's of authoritarian leanings in government)

Typical Patsie crap. What I said was that government was not to be trusted. You think just because you have a piece of paper that says "We the people" that the government is automatically trustworthy? Are you insane?

Ivan

--cultural, not racial component to PB's book--

Haven't read it yet, intend to do so, and will be very surprised if it has the racism characterized by the comments I've read here. I'll believe it when I see it.

Too bad the demonism will keep good points from being made about the changes in attitudes on American immigration. Traditionally, immigrants were expected to assimilate, to become Americans. Borders and immigration numbers were controlled to avoid being overwhelmed and destabilized.

Any attempt now to control the flow is met with the tedious but perennially effective charges of "racism." And, of course, any expectation of Americans that new immigrants will cherish their new country is also "racism." Immigrants arrive with a whole list of ancestral grievances, ready to insist on litigation and handouts. Small but significant example--they won't get car insurance, so become an economic menace on our roads. Yet, they fully expect easy drivers' licensing...

Agreed. But OURS is the responsibility to teach these people. A child does not learn good manners on accident. Neither will immigrants learn what is good, true and right about America without being taught. And don't even get me started on 'public education.'

Ours is NOT the responsibility to teach hordes of people coming across our borders illegally, anything, but how to leave. Legal immigration is not the problem or the issue.

#318: My #304 already detailed how I'd begin to take back America from pseudo Fabians such as yourself.

But if a picture is worth a thousand word, here my friend is American culture at it's zenith. One cannot be a true American if they fail to appreciate American women...

Now let me ask you, where did these "ideals" come from, and why are they to be found only among the people of one particular civilization?

American ideals came from the founders religious beliefs. I wasn't just European people who developed the successes of Western civilization. Surely there are millions of European decendants who are still living in the stone age as in parts of Russia. It was European people with a particluar beleif system that created Western civilization as we know it.

And those principles will work for anyone else who decides to put them into practice.

One is the increasing Hispanic vote, which was alienated because of Gov Wilson and the anti immigrant initiative, that pushed the GOP share down from about 40% to 25%,

Seems they feel America owes them something? They must not be too concerned for Americas borders. Maybe they dont consider themselves Americans.

AH yes, when you cannot fight and you cannot win, spin little Patsie, spin spin spin.

I pointed out that it was going to take out some sorting to find out who was "culturally American" in Pat's view - you don't deny it, but you don't want to figure out how it is going to be done either. Embracing that kind of stupidity doesn't speak well for you or your friends, who apparently, would endorse anything Pat does, no matter what it is.

We knew this back when he embraced Fulani, but it gets confirmed all over again.

Ivan

And if Pat Buchanan was so concerned about getting a tax cut for children, where was he when Bush was pushing it through Congress? What did he do to help?
LOL, where were you?!

I must have missed all the articles of Pat Buchanan lobbying Congress to pass Bush's tax cut for children. I would be happy to retract my statements about his silence if you can post any proof supporting your claim.

"You think just because you have a piece of paper that says "We the people" that the government is automatically trustworthy? Are you insane?"

Is this the way the British describe America's glorious Constitution?

A piece of paper?

A PIECE OF PAPER!

I'll have you know that the bravery and blood of American patriots stand
squarely behind 'that piece of paper.'

You sir, are a disgraceful foreign interloper...

It's a piece of paper if you don't enforce it. I would have thought the Clinton Administration would have proved how far you can drift from that piece of paper and how worthless it can be if there is no will to abide by it.

And don't get all flustered and pompous with me - you're not wrapping yourself in the flag out of genuine patriotism, rather, you just want to score some cheap shots. Won't work with me, lad.

Ivan

#327: I pointed out that it was going to take out some sorting to find out who was "culturally American"

In a previous post, you correctly identified that those from Berkley (CA) most likely aren't "culturally American."

Just how did you arrive at this conclusion?

#330: "It's a piece of paper if you don't enforce it."

Well,,,we have a meeting of the minds.

Buchanan would like to ensure domestic tranquility by enforcing our immigration laws.

Yet, whenever this proposition is mentioned, you Fabians howl like stuck pigs.

Why?

Buchanan doesn't want to just enforce the immigration laws, he is suggesting unrealistic things, such as the fact that the Mexican border can somehow be made leak-proof. The way to get that lot to stay on their side of the border, by the way, is not to position the US Army on an extended mission there, but to trade with the Mexicans so that they feel they don't have to go to the USA. Pat has a problem with this idea, because he believes all free trade is bad. He doesn't even like Canadian wheat (see "Family Farm Bill of Rights" speech).

At any rate, much of the legal immigrants to find the "culturally American" would have to be sorted - it's not just illegals Pat doesn't like, the article does say legal migrants. So how do you sort between the culturally American and the not merely on the basis of a passport? Note Comrade Pat said, "Culturally American" not "American citizens".

Ivan

The GOP sank under the waves in California for two reasons. One is the increasing Hispanic vote, which was alienated because of Gov Wilson and the anti immigrant initiative, that pushed the GOP share down from about 40% to 25%, on top of their increasing vote totals. The other reason is that the GOP has acquired a more culturally conservative rather than economic cast, and that is absolute poison in LA county and the Bay area, where the GOP has disappeared just about everywhere, including high income Anglo areas.

Your explanation looks like it was lifted right out of a Democratic political primer.

For the record, California's LEGAL hispanics were so offended by prop 187 that 60% voted in favor of it.

And if you believe the GOP has become more culturally conservative since pro-life, pro-gun, pro-AMERICA Reagan swept 60% of the popular vote in California then you haven't been paying attention.

Question 1: Who gets to decide who is "American" or not?

citizenship

Question 2: How will this "Americaness" be determined? You can be born in America, speak English as a native tongue and have an American passport yet be on "the other side" - witness Berkeley.

LOL! dont worry its already determined regardless of this issue.

Question 3: What happened to the idea that the government should not play a role in social engineering? It didn't work when the leftists tried it, why should Pat be any more successful?

Mothers and families are not social engineering by the govt. A uniform tax break would be the govt's way of getting out of the way.

America and Britain have problems with new immigrants assimilating. But producing a vague scheme with no clear standards that sounds rather like how the Nazis used to reward "productive" mothers is no answer either. Of course the Patsie idiots will still shout "Buchanan Akbar" anyway.

How the nazis awarded productive mothers? Please explain this nazi accusation in greater detail. Thanks ;)

You mean well, so here is a link for you:

LINK

In addition to this, the Nazis would give those families cheap loans.

Citizenship isn't the criteria Pat uses. Note the wording used, "culturally American". That's not the same as citizenship. What Pat's fans have been fumbling around with is how to define this, and who is going to go around and define who is and who isn't, and how this system is going to prevent abuse, and why precisely the government is trustworthy enough to do this. It's not a uniform tax cut either as it is only going to go to mothers on the basis of this (as yet vaguely defined) selection criteria.

Regards, Ivan

#334: "Buchanan doesn't want to just enforce the immigration laws, he is suggesting unrealistic things, such as the fact that the Mexican border can somehow be made leak-proof."

Protecting our borders from illegals is unrealistic?

Do you realize that Americans have walked on the moon, defeated Hitler before you Brits were forced to learn German, crushed the former Soviet Union, developed the Atom bomb, thereby saving millions of lives, scattered the feared Taliban and reduced bin Laden from a global terrorist to a cave dwelling, goat humping dirt bag.

No my dear Ivan, protecting our borders is not 'unrealistic' for Americans...

Thanks for the public service announcement. The point is that there are always going to be some who get through. And that having an effective immigration strategy in itself (though considering how big the border is, good luck) is not going to prevent people from trying it. I already pointed out what has to be done - let American capital do its work, enrich America and Mexico at the same time, and voila, they'll be too busy cruising the mall to cross the border.

Ivan

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