It's evening in America, Buchanan says, and immigrants are to blame (Buchanan interview)

Fort Worth Star-Telegram | 1/03/2002 | Jeff Guinn (Books Editor)

[steve-b]

In fact, every nation on this planet with a high per capita income (other than one associated with extracting oil from the ground), has a low birth rate, and most with middle of the road per capita incomes are joining the club. The correlation between per capita income levels and birth rates is very, very high. With respect to most other factors, it is very, very low.

The oil-wealthy countries aren't really an exception -- even though the countries are wealthy, most of the people in them are poor, because the ruling elite controls the oil wealth and blows it on frippery (e.g. Saudi Arabia) or military adventurism (e.g. Iraq).

When these nations develop a solid middle class (I consider this inevitable, if civilization in general isn't wrecked, though it remains to be seen how long this will take and how much strife there will be along the way), I'm confident that they will follow the usual demographic pattern of lowered birthrates.

[Torie]

How do you explain the fact that 'deprived' Russians don't have a much higher birthrate?

That is a good question. All the Slav nations have incredibly low birth rates. And not all are subsidy and femimization city. Here is a list:

Bulgaria         1.13
Czech Rep        1.18
Slovakia         1.25
Russia           1.27
Belarus          1.28
Slovenia         1.28
Ukraine          1.29
Poland           1.37
Yugoslavia
 (Serbia/Mont)   1.75
Macedonia        1.79
Croatia          1.94

[Torie]

Yes, that is what I meant (it is not anomalous). I was just too lazy to type out your fine explanation.

[steve-b]

The number of children Pat and Shelley have is completley irrelevant to Buchanan's argument.

Nonsense. By this standard, John Paul II and Bill Clinton would both deserve the exact same respectful hearing if they argued in favor of honesty and chastity.

[Torie]

Whatever. I suppose I could do a google search to find a poll (which I suspect would verify my assumption, although black might also still be popular (certainly Negro isn't)), but why don't you do some real work for a change?

[steve-b]

That post had to do with tax breaks and incentives to have kids.

One More Time: Targeted Tax Breaks == Welfare

[eskimo]

Do you use the term Negro these days in front of African Americans? I bet you don't.

Quite some time ago I asked one of the first dark skinned people I ever met whether he was a member of the Negro race. He said "no; I'm an American just like you". I never asked such a foolish question again and I will answer likewise if someone asks me if I am a real Eskimo but I will never be so stupid as to let some political parasites convince me that the word Eskimo is a derogatory term.

[steve-b]

You mean welfare, food stamps, tax credits, etc. aren't working?

Aren't you the snide one. I believe that what Pat had in mind are larger tax deductions for dependents.

A distinction without a difference.

[steve-b]

How do you explain the fact that 'deprived' Russians don't have a much higher birthrate?

Don't be ridiculous. Their current difficulties notwithstanding, Russia is firmly on the latter side of the divide between a subsistence-agriculture society and an industrial society. Thus, it retains the low birthrate associated with the latter. If it slipped back into a nation of peasant farmers, its birthrate (and deathrate) would rise accordingly.

[steve-b]

Do you use the term Negro these days in front of African Americans? I bet you don't.

Can I put down $20 on that?

[Torie]

Yes, but the Slav fertility rates cannot be explained by industrialization alone. Something else is going on. Macedonia is not all that industrialized btw, and might have say a 25% rural population as a guess. It also has about a 30% Albanian population with I assume a considerably higher birthrate, thus making the Slav number in Macedonia considerably lower.

[quebecois]

"who is going to pay taxes to support us boomers?"

Why don't you try saving for your retirement? That way, you can support yourself and not require a deluge of third world immigrants to finance your golden years.

(also, on a practical note....if you think that young mexicans are going to tolerate sky-high taxes to finance retirement for a bunch of white baby-boomers...then you are naive in the extreme)

[Jethro Tull]

#193: "...witless neocons..."

You've said it all!

[Key]

Me too! I agree with what you say 100%. My pervious post regarding the governments immigration campaign was definitely not pro-immigration!

[Jethro Tull]

#181: I'm not trying to slander Guinn just because he's fascinated with vampires.

I happen to think Republicans suck just as much blood from 'we the people' as do
New Agers like Guinn...

[Jethro Tull]

#165: RE: BuKKKanan

Yo, veronica,,,,,it’s me, Irv.

Look, I’m still in the ‘stir’ thanks to Ashcroft and company.
I’ve called Alan Dershowitz, but still no return call.

Look,,,babe,,,,can you say hello to Abe Foxman and the
boyz down at the Southern Poverty Law Center for me?

Also, if it isn’t too much trouble, a box of macaroons and
some hard candy would really hit the spot.

Stay safe and remember, “Don’t be a shmuck, take the chicken”!

Signed,

Irving Rubin
Mad Bomber and Hate Criminal.

[Key]

Welfare.... only if the couple splits. Other cultures don't seem to get divorces as easily as 'we' do. They stick together and keep having kids. If 'whites' would stick it out, enjoy their tax breaks and their kids, perhaps the white race wouldn't be on the decline. (sans massive welfare)

[Joe Hadenuf]

Your #103 is well stated.