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To: k2blader
Hm, just for clarification, are you saying that the Catholic church is the "only Church" ?

There is only one Church, the Catholic one. All other Chrstians have at some point deviated from Her.

That I, as a Baptist, am not part of the "only Church" and thus am not saved ?

This I did not say. All Christians, by virtue of their Baptism, are joined together to the one Church. Your culpability for remaining outside of the Church's official boundaries and teachings is for God to determine.

SD

86 posted on 01/03/2002 5:18:27 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Thanks for the clarification. Now if I may ask a few more Q's... :-)

There is only one Church, the Catholic one. All other Chrstians have at some point deviated from Her.

Please tell me where the Bible says specifically that the Catholic church is the "only" Church?
I have never seen God's Word yield such a statement.

All Christians, by virtue of their Baptism, are joined together to the one Church. Your culpability for remaining outside of the Church's official boundaries and teachings is for God to determine.

Then I praise the Lord, because unlike man, He is Faithful & Just.

"Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners--of whom I am the worst."
- 1 Timothy 1:15 -

150 posted on 01/03/2002 2:17:42 PM PST by k2blader
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To: SoothingDave
There is only one Church, the Catholic one. All other Chrstians have at some point deviated from Her.

And just what Bible are you reading from? The only "church" that matters is the church that is the Body of Christ (the truly regenerate believers).

222 posted on 01/05/2002 3:56:16 AM PST by rdb3
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To: SoothingDave
All Christians, by virtue of their Baptism, are joined together to the one Church. Your culpability for remaining outside of the Church's official boundaries and teachings is for God to determine.

Interesting how you tell us that by virtue of baptism we are joined.... The word baptizo, where we get the word Baptism, from the greek means "to immerse, submerge; to make whelmed (i.e. fully wet);". My wife is a former Catholic and we attended Catholic services for quite a while. We never saw any baptism that involved anything other than a little water over the head.... No submerging or making anyone fully wet....

Our Church discribes baptism as an outward symbol of our accepting Christ as our savior, just as a wedding ring shows I am married to my wife. If I didn't have a wedding ring, I would still be married to my wife (of course if I didn't wear my ring, my wife may have a few choice words about it, but she wouldn't divorce me either).

Matthew 28:19 informs us that we should be baptized, but baptism itself does not bring salvation. Accepting Christ does this, and only through Christ will we find salvation. One who choses to not be baptised may find themselves in a bit of hot water when facing Christ, but failing to be baptised will not prevent their salvation.

I have a friend who just recently accepted Christ as her savior. Other than a few Christmas services, she has not been a regular attendee at any church. She is now looking for a churhc to join. Of course she has been invited to mine, but other friends have also invited her to visit their church. She plans to be baptised, but should she die before she should join a church and be baptised, I doubt that she will get the "Go to Hell" card simply because she was not baptised.

231 posted on 01/05/2002 5:11:46 AM PST by The Bard
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