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To: Hank Kerchief
I'm not quite sure I'm following your question but I think this answer by St. Augustine may cover it.

"God has become our debtor not as though He has recieved something from us, but because He has promised what pleased Him. It is a different thing when we say to a man, 'You are my debtor because I have given you something,' and when we say to God, 'Give us what Thou hast promised, for we have done what Thou didst command!'

287 posted on 01/06/2002 5:09:15 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch; Hank Kerchief; Thorn11cav
I can't see God as debtor to man under any circumstance.

One of the first phrases I read in a Bible after I'd left the RCC, was:

Mat 23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Y'all have "Father so-and-so", yet he has no children; and his "title" is clearly anti-scriptural.

IIRC, they also claim to intercede on our behalf, to Mary and the other "saints".

Mat 23:3-10

All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.

320 posted on 01/07/2002 7:43:21 AM PST by packrat01
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