BUCHANAN DECLARES: DEATH OF THE WEST

Drudge Report ^ | 01/02/2002 | Matt Drudge

[EggsAckley]

PAT HAS NOT NEEDED TO WORK FOR OVER 25 YEARS!!

You've aroused my curiousity;
where DOES Pat get the money to not work for over 25 years?

[Quester]

I seem to remember that the first of your posts that I responded to had to do with the greatness that European population inherently imparts to nations.

Again, I ask you to reconcile that sentiment with the waning fortunes of Western Europe.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I think its pretty obvious who the *real* racist are.

[Clemenza]

the greatness that European population inherently imparts to nations

Argentina was settled largely by Italians, Spaniards, Germans, Jews, etc. and look what is happening now. Don't get me started on Eastern Europe.

[Dr.Deth]

Used to be, that those who wanted to eliminate or subjugate groups of people based on race were called 'racist'. It seems to me now, that anyone who recognizes differences between the looks, cultures, and predisposition of the various races is labelled 'racist'... but only if the PC powers-that-be don't like what is being said.

Of course there are different races. Duh. That is as incontrovertible a fact as stating that there are different breeds of dog. Not recognizing that is pure denial.

I have not yet seen Buchanan advocating the elimination or subjugation of any particular races. He is stating observations; it's analogous to saying "That man is black" or "That woman is white." Therefore, I do not see why he is labelled a 'racist' - and must immediately discount the ignorant opinions and tiny-fisted tantrums of the race-baiting liberals trying to do so.

[duckln]

This tread is about 'death of the west'. And that is the issue here. But I know, Pat detractors never could handle the issues.

[Dr.Deth]

You've aroused my curiousity; where DOES Pat get the money to not work for over 25 years?

Maybe a loan from the Jesse Jackson Savings & Trust?

[Joe Hadenuf]

Which country are you referring to ?

[1 FELLOW FREEPER]

Cash, much General Motors stock and property inherited from his father...THATS WHERE!!

[Bush2000]

The world needs a policeman?

Let me qualify that. The world needs a policeman when its interests coincide with our own. For example, I don't agree that the US should have been involved in Kosovo. Clearly, our interests were not at stake.

It is my honest opinion that if we aren't entangled in every other countries Bull sh*t, we wont have these damn problems of these murdering freaks and fanatics flying jet airliners into skyscrapers. The problems in the Mid East, Russia, China etc, are *NEVER* going to go away. Do we want to be part of their BS?

Wrong. If you have international trade, you have to have an international presence; otherwise, all of these so-called "freaks and fanatics" would attack us. Back in the 18th century, our commercial ships were being plundered by pirates from the north coast of Africa. That didn't stop until Jefferson ordered warships into the region to destroy the pirates. Trade naturally implies defense. You can't have one without the other. It's that simple.

I believe the cracks are showing in the global intervention foundation. I also believe that continuing this down this path of global interventionism will end in chaos for the United States, as we have everything to lose. Much of this global interventionism is based on nothing but greed and power. In my honest opinion, this will lead to nothing but MORE trouble for the United States.

I believe that we should intervene when our national interests are at stake. Sometimes, that means being willing to understand the longterm consequences of something. For example, if Saddam Hussein invades Kuwait again, it certainly wouldn't affect us immediately. We don't derive the vast majority of oil from Kuwait. However, because Hussein would pose a greater threat to Saudi Arabia -- which IS a major source of foreign oil -- we need to consider the ramifications of not intervening NOW, when we have a chance to prevent greater damage. That is what the Gulf War was all about. We didn't feel that Iraq posed an immediate threat to us. It was longterm.

We could be very independent and still trade with friendly nations, and still have the worlds biggest and meanist military for *defense purposes* or even offensive purposes if needed, while at the same time, be very independent. We don't need to be and shouldn't be the global cop!

And guess what? Afghanistan is not what we would have considered "friendly" ... and look where the attack on our soil came from? You can't hide. You can't run. Being a trading partner means being subject to attack from your enemies. I feel its about time for the United States to become more independent. We were warned, many years ago about foreign entanglements. We should take notice.

[sinkspur]

I guess you don't keep up on the Nasdaq, the 30 year bond, the unemployment numbers, the homeless numbers, or even the Enron debacle and the ties to Bush.

Homeless numbers? Are you serious?

Enron is no more tied to Bush than it was to Clinton in 1996 when he was granting waivers for a power plant acquisition in India.

Unemployment is lower now than it was in 1993, eighteen months after the last recession ended.

See what I mean? You're always looking for the pile in the room with the pony, especially when the media tells you its there.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

Exactly...the MILLIONS of illegals that come over our southern borders are NOT immunized.

I'm not saying let the illegals in. I'm saying open the legal process.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Right up until 9-10 Bush was calling for open borders, but instead of blaming these insane free-for-all immigration policies for allowing the trojan horse to get into the United States, in the first place, we jump on the Bush bandwagon to launch an all out war on another country.

Interesting aint it?

[ResistorSister]

Resisting old European-biased white men might be a hell of a lot of good fun for parlor feminists

Parlor feminist? Are you referring to me?

If you have deduced that I am a feminists because of my screen name...you are wrong.

I use that screen name because after 26 years of marriage, being a stay-at-home mom, who has home schooled our two youngest children, and with the support of my husband - I have gone back to college to earn a degree in Electronic Engineering. So, when I joined FR...I was in the middle of learning about electronic resistors...and because I am one of the few women in any of my classes...I took the name ResistorSister as a pun; so laugh.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

Just about all of them, who have people who hate us... Heck, the Taliban regime had to write a law to prevent men from getting a haircut ala Leonardo DiCaprio in Titanic. Even under the most oppressive regime, people were still trying to get recordings of our movies.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

Just about all of them, who have people who hate us... Heck, the Taliban regime had to write a law to prevent men from getting a haircut ala Leonardo DiCaprio in Titanic. Even under the most oppressive regime, people were still trying to get recordings of our movies.

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

"...Buchanan's ideas are borrowed from the 19th century. We have already seen where such isolationism leads us (WWI, Pearl Harbor, etc), and it ain't pretty. Sad to say, the world does need a policeman. Our military is the only insulation that we have against tyranny...."

Splendid. Really, George Bush on his most inarticulate day couldn't have said it better, given that most of the truly great ideas in human history are borrowed from the past.

isolationismis a term borrowed from the British policy ofsplendid isolationfrom the troubles of the European continent. Although always practiced spottily and hypocritically, while it was practiced Britain could still place the "Great" in front of it's name without provoking howls of laughter.

I'll never understand why American so-called isolationists adopted that word. Whever words are imported from England, misunderstandings inevitably arise.

Anyway, when we tried to follow George Washington's advice--also spottily and hypocritically at times--more people in the world admired, even loved, us as a People and the concept of our country; the Vienamese, the Koreans, the Chinese, Africans, Indians, Arabs--people on the street all over the planet harbored no ill will towards us.

Our intervention in WWI led directly to the resumptions of hostilities in WWII. And Pearl Harbor was just one of many instances of collateral damage in the American Progressive's 100 year jihad to uplift the masses of the world with free markets and easily obtained birth control.

And yet, even then, the Elites still payed lip-service to our founding document and actually went through the ritual of a declaration of war. It's really astonishing how willing the American People have been to become mameluks for their progressive Elites--who despise them far worse than any foreign agressor. Fascinating. And depressing.

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

"...Buchanan's ideas are borrowed from the 19th century. We have already seen where such isolationism leads us (WWI, Pearl Harbor, etc), and it ain't pretty. Sad to say, the world does need a policeman. Our military is the only insulation that we have against tyranny...."

Splendid. Really, George Bush on his most inarticulate day couldn't have said it better, given that most of the truly great ideas in human history are borrowed from the past.

isolationismis a term borrowed from the British policy ofsplendid isolationfrom the troubles of the European continent. Although always practiced spottily and hypocritically, while it was practiced Britain could still place the "Great" in front of it's name without provoking howls of laughter.

I'll never understand why American so-called isolationists adopted that word. Whever words are imported from England, misunderstandings inevitably arise.

Anyway, when we tried to follow George Washington's advice--also spottily and hypocritically at times--more people in the world admired, even loved, us as a People and the concept of our country; the Vienamese, the Koreans, the Chinese, Africans, Indians, Arabs--people on the street all over the planet harbored no ill will towards us.

Our intervention in WWI led directly to the resumptions of hostilities in WWII. And Pearl Harbor was just one of many instances of collateral damage in the American Progressive's 100 year jihad to uplift the masses of the world with free markets and easily obtained birth control.

And yet, even then, the Elites still payed lip-service to our founding document and actually went through the ritual of a declaration of war. It's really astonishing how willing the American People have been to become mameluks for their progressive Elites--who despise them far worse than any foreign agressor. Fascinating. And depressing.

[Bush2000]

Wrong again my friend, the issue on this tread is his book 'death of the west'. Do you really think a mayor of 'Podunk Junction' is a prerequisite for writing contemporory, world renown classics?

Who are you? You came in during the middle of a conversation. We were talking about Buchanan's capacity to lead. Catch up.

Lousey comparison. Carville is, was a negative campaigne consultant. Never participated in a summit. The only book he wrote, that no one read or are aware of was 'the 1st horse in town?'. Hell I can't even remember the title.

Fine. How about Lanny Davis? Or George Stephanopolous. Point is ... you can't hold up the title of "White House Advisor" as some kind of accolade and then turn and run when negative examples surface.