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To: Carry_Okie
How did they get the samples? Where are the requisitions? Fax records? Trip reports? Milage records? Where is the chain-of-custody document so common in such studies? Has anyone locked the files and sealed the computers?

If the FS people's story is true, this was a pigheaded, unauthorized action by the field biologists who simply wanted to show up the lab.

Stories have mentioned an investigation. Do you know if it's available online somewhere?

8 posted on 12/31/2001 10:08:32 PM PST by jennyp
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To: jennyp
(Oops, hit Reply too soon) Since it was a reckless unauthorized act done by the skeptical low level researchers, there was no good chain of custody or documentation.
9 posted on 12/31/2001 10:10:39 PM PST by jennyp
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The problem is that, as a scientist, you can't have it both ways. These people know that. To claim that one is so diligent, so careful, that one is willing to take the extraordinary step of spending precious project dollars to validate the lab before ANY field samples are acquired and at the same time be unable to produce documents describing the planned validation procedure strains credulity. If it was a lab certification or screening effort, in advance of the study, there would be internal USFS memos to that effect. One cannot justify the PO without it as there would have to be grounds for either terminating the contract or refusing payment for bad analytical work.

The goal of validating the lab is to verify accurate identification at the time the accuracy of the analytical data must be unquestionable. The usual procedure would be to combine actual samples from the forest along with the "controls." Instead they chose to proceed in this ad hoc manner that leaves them the option to claim that the samples were found in situ (if they don't get caught by the lab). If the lab does detect the discrepancy, our USFS deep ecologists can claim that they were being really "diligent" by "testing" the lab. Yet to so proceed without a write-up casts doubt on the entire study. Why would they risk that if they were so determined to be "careful"?

Unfortunately, there are more problems with these claims as I suggested earlier. How did they obtain the "dummy" samples of known lynx hair from so far away without records of the request? If they submitted the samples as controls, where is the documentation of that fact? Something, anything... Nubers on the vials? Notes in a lab notebook? A PO?

As I understand it, some of the individuals involved in this case were also involved in the corrupt farce that is the "science" underlying a clear taking of private property in the Klamath Basin. If that is true, there are motive, means, opportunity, and a pattern of behavior that would be concurrent with fraudulent act. Such would benefit an economic interest on the part of (surprise!) the timber industry (such as International Paper, Georgia Pacific, and Weyerhauser). These companies do not want timber from National Forests depressing the prices from their private forests, which is one reason that they have been so generous to environmental NGOs. Has there been a grant from the foundations of any major stockholders in these companies for this study or to "volunteer" advocates of the lynx?

13 posted on 12/31/2001 10:47:51 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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