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Addicted to the Drug War
Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | December 28, 2001 | Ilana Mercer

Posted on 12/30/2001 1:25:13 AM PST by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName

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To: A CA Guy
>>The Congress makes the following findings and declarations:<< (1) Many of the drugs included within this title have a useful and legitimate medical purpose and are necessary to maintain the health and general welfare of the American people.<<

True, so what?

>>(2) The illegal importation, manufacture, distribution, and possession and improper use of controlled substances have a substantial and detrimental effect on the health and general welfare of the American people.<<

Complete false bald faced lie. The "improper" use of anything can have a detrimental effect, so what?

>>(3) A major portion of the traffic in controlled substances flows through interstate and foreign commerce. Incidents of the traffic which are not an integral part of the interstate or foreign flow, such as manufacture, local distribution, and possession, nonetheless have a substantial and direct effect upon interstate commerce because-- (A) after manufacture, many controlled substances are transported in interstate commerce, (B) controlled substances distributed locally usually have been transported in interstate commerce immediately before their distribution, and (C) controlled substances possessed commonly flow through interstate commerce immediately prior to such possession. (4) Local distribution and possession of controlled substances contribute to swelling the interstate traffic in such substances. (5) Controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate cannot be differentiated from controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate. Thus, it is not feasible to distinguish, in terms of controls, between controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate and controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate. (6) Federal control of the intrastate incidents of the traffic in controlled substances is essential to the effective control of the interstate incidents of such traffic.<<

This could be stated about anything and is therefore meaningless. It implies congress has the right to prohibit anything it damn well pleases.

>>(7) The United States is a party to the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, 1961, and other international conventions designed to establish effective control over international and domestic traffic in controlled substances.<<

So what? do treaties like this bit of toilet paper trump the US Constitution? Our friends in Europe who all signed this same treaty are nearly all violating it right now. Besides, how much evidence do you need to see that laws do not provide "effective control" of consensual behavior. They never have in history and they never will.

381 posted on 12/30/2001 10:12:57 PM PST by LloydofDSS
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To: Zon
Ha, never. Its a lot easier to just crank up what we're doing now and keep you in the cross hairs. Give the BATF more effective tools, more money, more men and bigger bounties and we're there.

Hmmm. I'm thinking if we just get rid of the pesky "innocent until proven guilty" notion we have this little problem wrapped up jiffy-quick. Lock up everyone and no one gets out until they can prove they've never done anything than anyone would consider wrong.

382 posted on 12/30/2001 10:13:53 PM PST by laredo44
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To: A CA Guy
Depends on whether they are covered by this or not Hemlock:

What exactly depends on whether they are covered by this or not? You sound confused. Your red herring sucks. Shame on you, shame. All you've done is post part of a statue regarding "controlled" substances. What does that have to do with Cultural Jihad's irrelevant "rationality argument" which I debunked in post 352? Do yourself a big favor and donate your crack pipe to charity.
383 posted on 12/30/2001 10:15:05 PM PST by Hemlock
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To: Roscoe
Works fine under our American systems of government...

Approx. half of 370+ posts say it doesn't.

384 posted on 12/30/2001 10:15:22 PM PST by laredo44
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To: elmer fudd
Self medication with illegal drugs is not good. Tons of addicts are in prison now for violence due to drugs Elmer.

I understand the spirit in which you are posting. You feel you are loosing some liberties/rights/freedoms.
The reason I think we just can't let everything go wild is many people are irresponsible and have no concept of where to draw the line on their own.
I think that is the reason there had to be laws and boundries.
A fact is that growing drug addicts would be evil and there is no good excuse to be irresposible and form an illegal drug use habit. It's more about good and evil rather than about only Federal this or that.

385 posted on 12/30/2001 10:17:30 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: tpaine
You're in way over your head trying to apply your libertine 'wit' to a congressional finding. Bail out now or you'll need a life boat any minute.
386 posted on 12/30/2001 10:17:54 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: laredo44
[Works fine under our American systems of government...]

Approx. half of 370+ posts say it doesn't.

Lotta America-haters on FR lately.

387 posted on 12/30/2001 10:18:02 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: laredo44
Approx. half of 370+ posts say it doesn't.

Fortunately, no one but us brave souls (Roscoe, Cultural Jihad, Dane, A CA GUYet al) read what you libertarian knotheads write here.

388 posted on 12/30/2001 10:19:35 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Zon
I see how the rule of law scares you.
389 posted on 12/30/2001 10:20:14 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: elmer fudd
Again the Good vs Evil test would be a good one. We know that issue of abortion will go back and forth in the court Elmer. In fact I think society is starting to lean more against abortion lately and we may see the day that gets turned around.

As far as the Congressional law about drug enforcement - are you saying it was a 5-4 split as well? Have Libertarians or the ACLU challenged this in court?

390 posted on 12/30/2001 10:21:08 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
"Being vague is not a lost art in your hands is it?"

-------------------- Glad to see you're taking my advice of 259. The above isn't really much of a wise crack, [to stupid about 'vague'], but at least you aren't showing us your real persona.

391 posted on 12/30/2001 10:21:20 PM PST by tpaine
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To: A CA Guy
A fact is that growing drug addicts would be evil

What about growing soap opera addicts? Jenny Jones had a guest kill another guest. Federal laws needed to outlaw some parts of TV?

392 posted on 12/30/2001 10:22:07 PM PST by laredo44
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To: A CA Guy
As far as the Congressional law about drug enforcement - are you saying it was a 5-4 split as well?

They know they would be laughed out of court 9-0.

393 posted on 12/30/2001 10:23:03 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: VA Advogado
Fortunately, no one but us brave souls (Roscoe, Cultural Jihad, Dane, A CA GUYet al) read what you libertarian knotheads write here.

Unfortunately for liberty, you lack the ability to comprehend what you read.

394 posted on 12/30/2001 10:24:46 PM PST by laredo44
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To: VA Advogado
A word to the wise from a jack booted thug, aye?

Stuff it avocato.

395 posted on 12/30/2001 10:26:09 PM PST by tpaine
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To: VA Advogado
I see how the rule of law scares you.

I note that individual rights scare you.

396 posted on 12/30/2001 10:27:07 PM PST by laredo44
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To: Cultural Jihad
Why are you arguing with the crowd that thinks it has something vital to offer even though it cannot garner more than one half of one percent in elections? These clowns are so out of touch with reality, they're laughable. Why do you waste your time with them? Let them cry about their precious drugs and depravity.
397 posted on 12/30/2001 10:28:02 PM PST by Thorondir
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To: LloydofDSS
Many illegal drugs are proven to make actual changes in the brain chemistry of the user for life. The articles I've read are scary. There is no rational justification for it. I can also see the health care industry demanding blood tests to screen insurance applicants and limiting coverage for users. Since their health would be for more at risk.

The can of worms get more and more involved in legalization.

Every economists article about the leagalizing of all drugs say it will grow addicts greaty based on other places where it has come to pass.

It is evil. Let it die out. Don't use illegal drugs.

398 posted on 12/30/2001 10:28:04 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Roscoe
It's like garlic to vampires.

WTF? What's like garlic to vampires? Your breath? You guys are starting to fulminate. LOL!
399 posted on 12/30/2001 10:28:47 PM PST by Hemlock
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To: tpaine
Nasty shows you feel you are losing the debate. Thank you!
400 posted on 12/30/2001 10:29:34 PM PST by A CA Guy
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