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To: CubicleGuy; RnMomof7
So, in your understanding of the plan of salvation, when God choses to leave a particular patch of ground hardened, and that patch of ground fails to receive the seed (not out of choice, but because it is simply unable to do it since God chose to leave the ground hardened), then it is entirely just for God to send that patch of ground to hell for eternity as a result of not receiving the seed.

You still don't apprehend our Biblical position. The soil is hard and barren and like a desert precisely becase man has already made his choice:

Professing to be wise, we became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we in agreement. When the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us; for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves.

Who are you to complain because God is pleased to leave most men to wallow in their hatred for Him? All men everywhere have made their choice. The Bible is crystal clear about this. God, in His infinite grace toward some, has chosen to redeem some of us not for our sakes but for His name's sake.

If the Gospel was designed so that it resulted in salvation due to some merit on our part, it would reduce the Gospel to a monstrosity:

I would have you remember that the view under which Jesus beheld us was not only the true one, but, for us, the kindly one; because had it been written that Christ died for the better sort, then each troubled spirit would have inferred "he died not for me." Had the merit of his death been the perquisite of honesty, where would have been the dying thief? If of chastity, where the woman that loved much? If of courageous fidelity, how would it have fared with the apostles, for they all forsook him and fled? There are times when the bravest man trembles lest he should be found a coward, the most disinterested frets about the selfishness of his heart, and the most pure is staggered by his own impurity; where, then, would have been hope for one of us, if the gospel had been only another form of law, and the benefits of the cross had been reserved as the rewards of virtue? The gospel does not come to us as a premium for virtue, but it presents us with forgiveness for sin. It is not a reward for health, but a medicine for sickness. Therefore, to meet all cases, it puts us down at our worst, and, like the good Samaritan with the wounded traveller, it comes to us where we are. "Christ died for the impious" is a great net which takes in even the leviathan sinner; and of all the creeping sinners innumerable which swarm the sea of sin, there is not one kind which this great net does not encompass. - Spurgeon Sermon (For whom did Christ die?)
And you are exactly trying to make the Gospel just another work of the law because like all carnal flesh everywhere, we want to think that we actually do have some merit and can say to the others: "See, I was (insert prideful adjective here) enough to accept it."

But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God. There it is, the Good News in black and white. He came to save that which was lost.

269 posted on 01/16/2002 11:27:15 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
You still don't apprehend our Biblical position. The soil is hard and barren and like a desert precisely becase man has already made his choice: Professing to be wise, we became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we in agreement. When the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us; for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves. Who are you to complain because God is pleased to leave most men to wallow in their hatred for Him? All men everywhere have made their choice. The Bible is crystal clear about this. God, in His infinite grace toward some, has chosen to redeem some of us not for our sakes but for His name's sake. If the Gospel was designed so that it resulted in salvation due to some merit on our part, it would reduce the Gospel to a monstrosity:

If, as you say we all have made out choice (being born into sin) why does not God simply save everyone?

Why are some the 'chosen'and the others left barren? It is God that who is do the choosing is it not? Yes, man has 'free will' but it is only free to choose against God! It can never seek God can it, even if God Himself makes it possible to do so! (Acts.17:27)

The Calvinist view of 'free will' is the monstrosity along with the rest of TULIP

Even so, come Lord Jesus

292 posted on 01/16/2002 10:27:12 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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