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To: George W. Bush;the_doc;AggressiveCalvinist;Elsie
I have an extensive history with the RC Cursillo movement,and with some of the off shoot ecumenical ministries. When God found me lost and alone I needed some early support on my exit. I found it in the protestants that I knew through the ecumenical ministries.

The truth is doctrinally we have very little common ground with Catholics ,so to believe that we can work together to bring the unchurched or pagan masses to a beliving faith in Jesus Christ is pure foolisness.

ECT huh? Chuck Colson huh? We have to be careful to handle the word of God carefully and to pass it on without error. I am sorry that Chuck has compromised his faith and ministry like that.The truth is that when you join two such differnt faiths they are unequally yoked!

19 posted on 12/30/2001 7:24:17 AM PST by RnMomof7
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Thank you Mother Angelica.. and praying for your healing...

Sola Fide
Question from Don on 10-10-2001:
Father Eckert,

I have read in a number of different sources that Martin Luther translated a passage in Romans (maybe, Romans 3:27-29), to read, "For we hold that a man is justified by faith 'alone' apart from works of law" -- inserting the word "alone" where it is no where to be found in the original text. (I read that he later "dropped" that word from his translation of the Bible.) I have also heard that a Greek word for "alone" did exist which Saint Paul, if he was really teaching the doctrine of sola fide, could have naturally used in the original text, but did not. Since he did not use that word for "alone" in any of his passages on "justified by faith", it stands to reason that he did not believe in sola fide.

What do you think of this? I performed a quick search in an online version of the RSV and found that Romans 4:23, Romans 11:3, Galatians 6:4, 1 Thessalonians 3:1, 1 Timothy 5:5, 1 Timothy 6:16, and 2 Timothy 4:11 all have the word "alone". Could Paul have used the equivalent Greek word for "alone" to say in Romans "a man is justified by faith alone..."? Since he did not use the word "alone" where he had used it in other places, it stands to reason that he did not believe in "faith alone" for salvation. Do you agree, or am I missing something, as I do not know any Greek?

Thanks.

Don

Answer by Fr. John Echert on 10-10-2001:
Don:

The very expression "faith alone" does appear in the New Testament in a manner which directly contradicted Martin Luther. It was for this reason that he insisted that St. James was not an apostle and therefore did not have authority in this matter--how convenient! Read on:

Protestants who argue that faith alone is what saves a person draw principally upon texts from Romans and also from Galatians. For instance, Paul wrote to the Christians at Rome:

3:20 For no human being will be justified in his sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. 3:21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from law, although the law and the prophets bear witness to it, 3:22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction; 3:23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 3:24 they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, 3:25 whom God put forward as an expiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins; 3:26 it was to prove at the present time that he himself is righteous and that he justifies him who has faith in Jesus. 3:27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On the principle of works? No, but on the principle of faith. 3:28 For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law.

First of all, Paul did not write that faith ALONE is what saves, but that faith apart from works of the law. So Paul does not set faith alone as the means of salvation, which would effectively remove grace as the means of salvation, if it were faith alone that saves. Specifically, Paul was insisting that it was no longer Mosaic Law that one could regard as the means of being righteous before God, which never could make one truly righteous even in OT times. His point is that it is only in Jesus Christ that we are saved. Since the time of the Reformation, many Protestants have become fixated on a slogan which is out of context, namely, that we are saved by faith alone. This is not only taking Paul out of context but is contradicted by other parts of Sacred Scripture, especially as found in the letter of James:

2:14 What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him? 2:15 If a brother or sister is ill-clad and in lack of daily food, 2:16 and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit? 2:17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. 2:18 But some one will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe -- and shudder. 2:20 Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from works is barren? 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? 2:22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, 2:23 and the scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness"; and he was called the friend of God. 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

St. James is teaching us that works will proceed from authentic faith, not that works themselves are the means of salvation. And so we see that the writings of St. Paul and St. James are not only compatible but complementary: faith precedes justification with God and works proceed from one who has such faith. For one who lives radically contrary to the requirements of faith, such as a life of mortal sin, we should not expect that such a one is in a state of grace. And while Father Martin Luther and others in the Reformation wanted to throw out this letter from the NT, because it contradicted their misinterpretation of Paul, they were unsuccessful. Instead, it is either overlooked or misinterpreted. Sadly, millions upon millions of Protestants since then have been misled about this Biblical truth about salvation. Faith is the beginning step which makes us open to grace but it alone is not what is established as the normative means of salvation. The Gospel of John and much of the rest of the NT vigorously assert that baptism is the formal way by which one is incorporated into the life of Christ and is given saving grace.

Finally, while we cannot agree with the statement that we are saved by faith alone, we can agree that we are saved by grace alone. For our salvation is unmerited in every way and cannot be earned by faith or works. On the other hand, for those who are in a state of grace, their works do have merit for the present and the future, as our Lord teaches in several instances as recorded in the Gospels. ©

Father Echert


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47 posted on 12/31/2001 9:04:18 PM PST by Fred
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