"I think this is an inadvertent misstatement."
Also, just for laughs, what adjective(s) would you use for the comments at #568 and #574 on this thread?
Posted on 12/29/2001 12:08:08 AM PST by H.R. Gross
I thought for sure you were in the hollow mountain with all the bikini clad beauties, which is Mossad HQ, from where we will soon launch the new laser.......unless 007 stops us.
That is the essence of dennisw's position. The logical problem with the policy is that it exculpates Israel and Zionists for just about any aggresively racist act.
There are those of us who see this "dance of the straw men" as destructive to both extremes. I originally began my oblique interest in the topic of Zionism out of the need to understand better my Jewish friends (all are borderline communists) and to try to understand what appears to be such terribly self-destructive behavior that organizes so much of the world into hating them.
I note with some interest in wooly-mammoth's extensive (and informative, thank you) postings of the nature of the ancient scism within Judaic scholarship. Is this global "manifest destiny," centered upon a couple acres of rock in Jerusalem, an artifact of the Babylonian Pharisees or is it some other faction? I am reminded of the extensive discussion in Deuteronomy of "the place I shall appoint."
Unlike Askel therefore (correct me if I am wrong), I do see this consolidation of Jewish financial and political power and its focus upon the Temple as part of God's plan (George Soros, UN Theosophy, and all), not that all the actors plan it to be so, or would wilfully act according to His Law for that matter, but that it is in fact happening despite the best efforts of protagonists and antagonists alike. Still, I see no point in resignation to "Thy will be done on earth," and letting these clown do whatever they want, though that appears to be very popular among many Christians here at FR. Instead, I see the continuing remand to perform my part in the play according to His Commandments, come what may. I do see a real need here to understand better the origins, distinctions, and strategies among Zionist and anti-Zionist Jewry. I have a translation of the Kaballa, but I haven't read it yet. Thank you for injecting some civility into this ugly morass. I have avoided this thread for obvious reasons.
Actually, I'm pretty Irish, babe. And pretty Polish. Actually I'm just pretty pretty. That answers ALL your questions.
Well, it looks like this, one of the longest threads I've ever seen on FreeRepublic, proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that the theme of my article (remember the article that does with this thread?) is, unfortunately, all too correct. The aim of the Israel Firsters is to create anti-Semitism, to create resentment, to flaunt their arrogance and their brazen disloyalty to their own country. A news source they would normally credit, Fox News, is disdained as "anti-Semitic" because Carl Cameron exposed the dark underside of Israeli spy operations in the US; racist garbage against Arab-Americans is shamelessly posted, with the added irony that it resembles nothing so much as the worst anti-Semitic propaganda; I have been called every dirty filthy name in the book, by people whom I have never even met, and yet these same verbose folks cannot even muster a coherent argument. Vicious, foul-mouthed, evil-minded rhetoric is bandied about, and the elementary rules of civility completely abandoned. It's amazing, really, how *dumb* the whole thing is, how futile and how contrary to the interests of Israel as a nation to have its American defenders act like such fools.
Yes, I think this is an inadvertent misstatement. I think what was meant were policies that in the mind of the advocate worked in favor of Palestinians while at the same time would most probably end in the death or expulsion of Jews from the region. Indeed, one could argue that the current policies of Arafat and the Palestinians work against both them and Israel. One could argue that the Palestinians are indulging in self destructive behavior. One could argue that the Palestinians accepting a Barak type deal would achieve the opposite effect.
In any event, the point is that if one advocates policies that have as a reasonable end result the destruction of Israel, out of desire or indifference, while that might not be anti-semitism per se, it certainly represents the practical functional equivalent. It is also in my mind, beyond ethnicity, immoral and unethical, and perhaps that is the ultimate issue: not so much one of anti-semitism but of immorality. I would have the same views if any other people on this planet were similarly at risk.
You apparently talking about Israel and yourself, because my friends in Russia doing quite well.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/598526/posts
"Everything in this country is rotten, and most of my friends are trying to leave," said Lefkowitz, who works part-time in a Jerusalem cafe.
"There is no peace and there is no work. If we are not fighting with the Arabs, we are fighting with each other. Unemployment and prices keep going up. And no one seems to give us any sense that things will get better."
You may understand Russian, and leave in one of the Jewish ghettos, so "tvoej gavnistoi strane prihodit pizdetz".
Are you blonde?
No, he's in Brighton Beach collecting empty cans.
"I think this is an inadvertent misstatement."
Also, just for laughs, what adjective(s) would you use for the comments at #568 and #574 on this thread?
I've always said: you want proof of anything, ask a part time cafe worker.
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