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STRANGE SYMBIOSIS – ISRAEL & ANTI-SEMITISM
Antiwar.com ^ | December 28, 2001 | Justin Raimondo

Posted on 12/29/2001 12:08:08 AM PST by H.R. Gross

Behind the Headlines
by Justin Raimondo
Antiwar.com

December 28, 2001

STRANGE SYMBIOSIS – ISRAEL & ANTI-SEMITISM
That 'sh*tty little country' is dangerous – to its allies, and to Jews everywhere

As Israel prepares to expel its Arab helots from Palestine, its "amen corner" worldwide is also on the march, excoriating anyone who looks cross-eyed at Ariel Sharon as an "anti-Semite." The latest front in this campaign is England, where Barbara Amiel, wife of media magnate Conrad Black, went on a rampage in the Telegraph, claiming that, at a recent dinner party, the French ambassador referred to Israel as "that sh*tty little country," and wondered why the world had to be dragged to the edge of World War III on account of it. On the basis of evidence gleaned at ritzy cocktail parties, says Ms. Amiel, the world is experiencing a revival of anti-Semitism, which is now "respectable" again.

OSAMA ON MTV?

Oh, please! Does she really expect us to believe that Osama's infamous videos denouncing the "Jews and Crusaders" are the "in" thing with the hip cognoscenti? Lay off the crack pipe, lady, and get real: anti-Semitism is less respectable than pedophilia. After all, hordes of people aren't buying The Protocols of the Elder of Zion the way they're snatching up those Abercrombie & Fitch catalogs, now are they? Amiel's essay is just one breathtaking inversion of reality after another. Getta load-a this:

"For the past 25 years, I've watched sad-faced Israeli activists trudge around Western capitals with heavy hearts beating under ill-fitting suits. They carry folders of transcripts and videotapes to document the misrepresentations in the press and the moral hypocrisy of the world towards Israel. They want to win the war of ideas on its merits. Their attention to detail in translating the hate literature of the Middle East and the hate-filled speeches of its leaders is commendable."

FOLLOW THE MONEY

One can only wonder what "Western capitals" she means: surely not Washington, D.C. Everyone acknowledges that the Israel lobby is among the most powerful in the Imperial City. How else have they managed to get their hands on a grand total of $90 billion-plus in American military and economic aid since Israel's inception?

A STRANGE IRONY

Aside from US exporters, Israel is the single largest beneficiary of our "foreign aid" program: US tax dollars paid for a booby-trap bomb planted near an Arab elementary school, which blasted a group of Palestinian children – children! – to bits. American tax dollars also pay for Israeli "settlements" inhabited by violent, fanatical fundamentalists intent on provoking war no matter what. This image of sad bedraggled little underdogs making their rounds, desperately fighting an uphill battle against overwhelming odds, is nothing but a bad joke – either that, or it is meant to be ironic.

I SHOULD BE SO POWERLESS

If the Israeli lobby is so powerless, then why this American largesse? We not only arm Israel, but we also prop up their sh*tty little socialist economy with constant infusions of cash. Whatever those Israeli "activists" are carrying around in their folders, whatever is on those videotapes, it must be some pretty powerful stuff. Given the Fox News revelations about the extent of Israeli spying in the US, I don't even want to hazard a guess as to what's in them.

THE ONEIDA PURGE

They want to "win the war of ideas on its merits"? Tell that to Jean Ryan, former managing editor of the Oneida (NY) Daily Dispatch, and city editor Dale Seth (a 15-year veteran of the paper), who were both fired when a delegation of Israel Firsters approached the editor and then the owner demanding the paper retract an allegedly "anti-Semitic" post-9/11 editorial written by Seth. Seth's crime was to recall the terrorist origins of the Jewish state – as if no one had ever heard of the Irgun and the Stern Gang, both of which waged war on the Arab civilian population – and without which the state of Israel would never have come into existence. He also made the true but politically incorrect observation that the whole region is rife with religious fanaticism, and Israel is no exception to the rule:

"The United States, through its close association with Israel since its inception, has now been dragged kicking and screaming right into the middle of that centuries-old Middle Eastern conflict. From that position, it would behoove that party in the middle to consider the hearts of the warring parties. Neither can be simply beat into submission."

UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER

A local attorney, Randy Schaal, demanded a meeting with Ryan to protest the editorial: Ryan refused to meet with him, pointing out that that if the staff met with everyone who disagreed with an editorial, they would never get a paper out. She told him to write a letter to the editor, which he did. But Schaal also contacted local politicians, as well as the Anti-Defamation League, and it wasn't long before pressure was brought to bear on the paper's management, which then ordered its editors to come up with a "clarification." This was published alongside Schaal's letter, a letter from Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY), and a missive from the mayor of Oneida. Still, Schaal and his fellow Ameners weren't satisfied. They went to the President of the Journal Register Co., and demanded a retraction and an apology: it was unconditional surrender, or nothing.

GROVELING TOWARD BETHLEHEM

After a series of meetings with various self-appointed representatives of the Jewish community, the owners of the Daily Dispatch caved and published a groveling mea culpa: "We understand many felt [the editorial] expressed anti-Semitic sentiments," it said. "We will not further offend our readers by attempting in any way to justify what was written; we can only assure readers that The Dispatch is not anti-Semitic and that we acknowledge the editorial should not have been published."

So much for the Israeli lobby winning the war of ideas on the "merits" of their case. Clearly, another strategy is at work here: not debating their opponents but silencing them.

ODE TO BRUTE FORCE

The rest of Amiel's essay is really a kind of paean to the efficacy of brute force. While those poor bedraggled Israeli "activists" may have been fighting an uphill battle, according to Amiel, in the post-9/11 era the tide seems to be turning, and she can hardly keep herself from gloating that now the Arabs are really going to get it:

"Powerful as the truth may be, it needs a nudge from 16,000lb daisy cutter bombs once in a while. The Arab/Muslim world's intransigence comes into sharper focus when we see the Americans liberate Afghanistan from the Taliban in six weeks and a cornered Arafat unable to go to the bathroom without the risk of being blown into the next world."

PSYCHOPATHIA SEXUALIS

Here is the kind of Zionist who clearly enjoys the brutality and indignity of the Israeli occupation. Such people now feel free to publicly exhibit and even flaunt their perversity, which seems like something straight out of Kraft-Ebbing. What else can one call Amiel's odd interest in controlling Arafat's bowel movements other than a sh*tty little perversion?

THE TERRORISTIC IMPERATIVE

"Nothing succeeds like powerful bombs," exults this war goddess, "as bin Laden explained in his latest video release. 'When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature they will like the strong horse,' he said." How natural for her to approvingly cite bin Laden on the terroristic imperative: but then that is what tribal warfare is all about, no matter which side one fights on.

CHOO-CHOO

Yes, it is force, not reason or negotiation, that is decisive, avers Ms. Amiel, who gleefully predicts that "All those people badmouthing the Jews and Israel will quieten down." Or else be quieted down, involuntarily, like Jean Ryan, Dale Seth, and now perhaps Carl Cameron, of Fox News. "You are looking," Amiel continues, "at the tail end of the train but the engine has already turned a corner and is going in the opposite direction" – and anyone who shows up at one of those ritzy parties she's always attending had better get on board, or else.

AMIEL'S JIHAD

No one would think to label denunciations of, say, Robert Mugabe, as the equivalent of anti-black racism: but we are expected to just accept that virtually all criticism of Israel and Ariel Sharon is due to "anti-Semitism." Amiel's blatantly dishonest and self-serving jihad is naturally bound to cause resentment among all thinking people – an emotion that could, easily, turn into genuine anti-Semitism. But that, I believe, is the point: anti-Semitism serves the interests of the most extreme wing of the Zionist movement, and always has.

100 YEARS AFTER DREYFUSS

Founded as it is on the permanence of Jewish victimology, and the idea that anti-Semitism is inevitable, Zionism thrives when Jewish persecution grows. It is a natural tendency of Zionist propaganda to exaggerate hostility to Jews. The founder of Zionism, Theodore Herzl, was confirmed in his opinion that it was "futile" to combat anti-Semitism when the infamous Dreyfuss case was at the center of a storm of controversy. Today, however, with the rapid decline and marginalization of anti-Semitism everywhere but in the Middle East, the pressing need for a Jewish state requires more justification.

WHY A JEWISH STATE?

Anti-Semitism in the West, as "hate crime" statistics and other research has shown in recent years, is practically nonexistent. This good news was hailed by Jewish organizations in the US when it was first announced, but the extreme Zionists were no doubt made uneasy. For if anti-Jewish prejudice is distinctly beyond the pale, at least in the civilized world, i.e., the West, then what do we need a Jewish state for? This is a question many Jews, when faced with an appeal to emigrate to Israel, must ask themselves, and, at least up until Ms. Amiel's outburst, the Zionists have had no good answer. Now they appear to have solved the problem by simply redefining "anti-Semitism" to mean any criticism of Israel's expansionist policies and its current radical right-wing government.

THE OLD ANTI-SEMITISM

Anti-Semitism used to mean legal and cultural proscriptions directed against Jews. In medieval Europe, Jews were forced into ghettos, in Nazi Germany they were branded with the yellow star and exterminated, and, in America and Europe, it used to be that some establishments, both high and low, would not do business with Jews. Certain hotels and men's clubs would not admit them, and anti-Semitism was especially rife in the universities where an unofficial Jewish quota kept their numbers and influence limited. This is real anti-Semitism, and, today, it is not only illegal but socially and politically unacceptable: anyone deemed an anti-Semite in this, the original sense, is in effect a pariah, and rightly so.

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To: Aedammair
"I'm Italian and everyone knows that immediately when they realize what my last name is"

For a while I was on Italian-oriented mailing lists, and it took me a while to figure out why. Turned out that somewhere along the line, a list that contained my company's name and address was sold to another company, and in the transition, the new database didn't allocate as much space for the company name field as the other, which resulted in the name being truncated two letters from the end of the string "camera repair". Evidentally someone wrote some "ethnic logic" that decided that a last name ending in "repa" was Italian, and thus was born my new heritage. :) (Don't ask me how a company name got transmorgrified into a personal name, but I've received enough solicitations addressed to "Mr. Repair" and similar to know it's fairly common.)

1,001 posted on 12/30/2001 3:45:23 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh; jjbrouwer; tex-oma; zviadist; labelledamesansmerci; askel5
My butt is mine! Leave it alone! Who are you? Some poofter?
1,002 posted on 12/30/2001 3:53:24 PM PST by NewAmsterdam
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To: Justin Raimondo
…the term "Amen Corner" is provocative, but that is true for political-ideological reasons. It is not purely personal invective. I use it because it was coined by Pat Buchanan, a man whom I believe is the archetypal case of a man unfairly attacked and smeared as an alleged "anti-Semite."

Since Bill Safire and others are on the record as saying that Pat is not an anti-semite, I've taken them at their word. So I agree it's incorrect to label him as such.

But unfair?

Grudgingly yes, with this qualification: there are times in this world when people are "asking for it" even though they don't deserve it. For an extreme example, if someone runs through South Central at night, yelling "n*****r!" they're going to die. They won't have deserved it, but they sure were asking for it.

Sometimes, Buchanan gives me the impression that he's asking for it. So do others.

Even if we grant the hair-splitting of "political-ideological" provocation vs. "personal invective," to what end? It's an emotionally-charged debate on both sides, with plenty of old antipathies and chip-laden shoulders. It can't be productive.

When I see that, I have a hard time understanding how "open debate" is really the goal.

I don't agree with your formulation of "on the borderline of anti-Semitism." There is no "borderline": a statement is either anti-Semitic or it is not. Period.

I disagree, there is a whole continuity of contexts in which the same statement may or may not be anti-semitic. I might say "Foreign aid to Israel should be cut off," with the underlying premise of disengaging Israeli domestic policy from American foreign policy, which I believe would be in Israel's best interests. Someone else might say "Foreign aid to Israel should be cut off," with the underlying premise that the Jews should be driven into the sea.

In one case there is anti-semitism, in the other there is none.

As for the Palestinian question and the US stance: if we withdrew all the "aid" money given, directly and indirectly, to the Israeli settler colony, totally and immediately, Tel Aviv would be in no condition to be "unleashed." It would then have to face the economic contradictions of maintaining a militarized Sparta-like society in a hostile sea of Arabs. Diplomatically, I think the US has to condemn any inherently unjust situation, such as the Israeli occupation, and it ought to link the withdrawal of all aid to this ongoing crime against an entire people. If Sharon wants to be "unleashed," then he must do it on his own dime -- and without the moral sanction of the US.

First, since Israel was perfectly capable of winning wars prior to receiving any US foreign aid, even when their economy was weaker and more socialistic, I think they might be tougher off the leash than you're willing to concede.

Second, calling Israel a "settler colony" is disingenuous at best. Prior to the late 1800s, there weren't many Jews or Arabs living in what is now Israel. But no one doubts (do you?) that there has been a continuous Jewish presence there going back 3,000 years. When the Jews started emigrating there in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries, they did so with the knowledge of the ruling Ottomans, and later, the British. Itinerant Arabs came to work on those Jewish settlements, some legally, some not. These are the broodstock for the bulk of the "Palestinian" population today.

Bottom line: to any degree that Israel is a "settler colony," the "Palestinians" are moreso.

My view, expressed on several occasions, is that Jews (and all oppressed minorities) have a homeland in the United States of America, and that the religious obscurantism that dictated Palestine rather than, say, Uganda or Madagascar as the Jewish homeland was a big mistake. Be that as it may, I recognize the right of the Jews living in Palestine to national self-determination, but, if I lived there, I would fight for the creation of a secular bi-national state.

Religious obscurantism?"

What form of "obscurantism" is it that says that " Jews (and all oppressed minorities) have a homeland in the United States of America?"

Is this in the Constitution anywhere?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for immigration at reasonable and sustainable levels, but with a few billion "oppressed minorities" in the world, this view of yours sounds nice on its face, but really can't be taken seriously.

Regarding your suggestion of a "secular bi-national state?"

As of what date should we draw the boundaries of such a state? Prior to 1922, when 2/3 of Transjordan was given up by the Jews to be a "Palestinian homeland?" Should Transjordan be a " secular bi-national state," where Israelis and Arabs can live together, side by side?

If not, at which of the many different boundaries would you draw the line? And why?

One also has to wonder, where is the historical example for an Arab Moslem majority to live peaceably in a "secular bi-national state?" Arab Moslems don't live peaceably with Arab Christians, let alone Jews. Christian populations have been slaughtered and driven out across the Arab world in the last fifty to eighty years, a bloody process that continues to this day.

Setting that aside, when you say you "recognize the right of the Jews living in Palestine to national self-determination," does that mean within defensible borders? Given the numerous wars they've instigated, what would you require of the surrounding Arab States to show good faith to the Israelis?

Since 1993, the Egyptian Yasser Arafat has been calling for jihad to liberate Jerusalem, exhorted suicide bombers, and taught a generation of children that Israel doesn't deserve to exist.

Can Arafat be trusted? He strikes me as an unregenerate anti-semite. If he can't be trusted, then whom?

I would amend that last formulation to: a radically decentralized secular bi-national state. That is, one in which politically authority is devolved back to local communities.

If it was decentralized, and one of the local communities decided to carbomb another, then what?


1,003 posted on 12/30/2001 4:05:56 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Carry_Okie
Give him a break!
NewAmsterdam just wanted to make 1000th post.
1,004 posted on 12/30/2001 4:12:04 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: Justin Raimondo;College Repub;Sabramerican;veronica;dennisw;yehuda;imperator2;
"... so as to prevent the site from degenerating into a free-for-all. That is precisely what FR is: largely a free-for-all. Racist rants are not permitted, and personal abuse is frowned on, but the parameters are pretty broad here -- and your own posts attest to that. If you prefer a forum where it is written into the rules that no material by me is permitted, such forums exist: Lucianne.com has an explicit rule banning anything that comes from Antiwar.com, of which I am the editorial director. So go there, and don't let the door hit you on your way out....

How thoughtful of you to take up the standard of official policy director for Free Republic.

Unfortuantely (for your cause), the founder's position is at a rather severe contradiction to your "free-for-all" fantasy. To-wit:

(excerpts, with my comments interspersed, from http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a19e2c90dfb.htm#260)

Well, I've said it many times before and I'll repeat it here for you. I did not open this website as a liberal debating society. In fact, it was actually designed to be a conservative oasis, free of liberalism.

So much for your assertion. But wait, there's more:

And so I decided to get away from the Barleens, Pedigrifts and eschoirs (you had to have been there) and open my own website where we like-minded individuals who wish to discuss and critique the liberal media and the out of control government and try to find a political solution for our problem (as opposed to an armed revolution) could do so without suffering the interference, pesterings and disruptions of leftist/marxist liberals and/or assorted right-wing nuts (by the way, this particular person is not a liberal, he's probably more of a libertarian with a conspiracy theorist bent).

Hmm, not looking very good for your annoying cause, is it.

The free speech I'm talking about here on Free Republic is OUR free speech and the free speech of those who want to join US in OUR mission.

Nope, not looking very good for your cause at all. In fact, it's almost as if he's aiming a spotlight on it! (Hahahaha, "spotlight")

Those who oppose our mission are welcome to stay and post here as long as they do not become too disruptive or actively work against our cause or our goals.

Oh my, really homing in on you now!

In no way do I want to run anyone out of here, but if you or anyone else who is signed up to post here do not want to work toward our common goals, and/or if you have another agenda in mind, then I respectfully suggest you open your own website (as others before you have done) and have at it.

Ah, but wait -- you've already got your own website! So why do you persist in disrupting here with your anti-semitic rants?

If your bag is to debate liberals or to enlighten the world with intellectual stimulation (or whatever it happens to be) then I will wish you well and wish more power to you. But I see absolutely no reason to give a soap box to those who oppose OUR chosen goals. You who dissent from our dissentions are free to exercise your own free speech rights on your own websites.

Man, does he have you pegged or does he have you pegged!

...just so others would get the message that I do not care what he thinks of me and to give notice to others who feel that I am some sort of ogre or dictator that there are other places you can post. You do not have to stay on Free Republic.

That door you were mentioning, pal? It's for you.

Those of you who feel I'm a crook or a fascist or a dictator or a statist or whatever will be welcome to go somewhere else and fight your own battles on your own turf.

The defense rests.

1,005 posted on 12/30/2001 4:13:01 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: Don Joe
Your rather longwinded argument would make sense, if this were IsraelFirst.com, or whatever. But nothing in my written works posted on this site, nor in anything I have ever written, could possibly be mistaken for "liberal" or "leftist" -- unless, looking at the world through Sharon-colored glasses, you define conservatism as per pro-Israel no matter what. The article we are (ostensibly) discussing here opposes foreign aid (a classic conservative position) and wrestles with the concept of anti-Semitism, both real and imagined. Given what I know about FR's policies and procedures, nothing in it contradicts the basic mission of FR: far from it, in seeking to define an American foreign policy that puts the interests of America first (and not, say, Gabon, or Israel), it advances that mission.

It is interesting, as I have said before, how some of the responses to my piece underscore its themes. I wrote that the methods of the Israel lobby have not been to argue, or to allow free and open debate on a very debatable topic, but to simply silence all opposition. Your screed, which I guess advocates that I be banned and my writings proscribed, certainly verfies that point.

I would agree with you that there is no "right" of anyone but the owner to post anything on FR. But I might add that I have never posted my own work here, although I do enjoy participating in the discussion if and when somebody else posts it. And I would also point out that various individuals, over the years, have indeed posted my work, and that I am grateful to them for having done so; none of these FR members have been banned, as far as I know, on account of it. So your call for a jihad against me and Antiwar.com is, for the moment at least, going unanswered. You are free, of course, to agitate for it, call for it, demand it: but I don't think you're going to get very far. I would also advise you that this line of attack is apt to be very unproductive, and will cause people who might've taken your other arguments seriously (and even agreed with them) to dismiss you as a crank.

Try another tack, dude: this one is only making you and the rest of the Amen Corner look really bad....

1,006 posted on 12/30/2001 4:58:29 PM PST by Justin Raimondo
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To: CommiesOut
Ah! Now I see what she meant! Lol. I didn't do it on purpose. Somehow my post ended up being posted four times. It wasn't quite interesting enough for that. Apologies.
1,007 posted on 12/30/2001 5:02:01 PM PST by NewAmsterdam
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To: Sabertooth
There are more Jews in America than in Israel, wouldn't you say? So it appears that the majority agree with me.

No, there is nothing in the Constitution specifically about how America is the best homeland for the Jews. In a more general sense, though, the idea of universally recognized rights and freedom from government, particularly the concept of freedom of religion enshrined in the Bill of Rights, is the political basis of my contention. On the Palestine question: As an advocate of noninterventionism, I would be in violation of my own principles if I designed some scheme whereby these two ancient desert tribes could live side-by-side in peace. Not all problems have solutions, however, and the US government is under no obligation to provide one in this case or any other outside its own borders. However, we do have a moral obligation, after subsidizing the Israeli occupation, to mitigate the effects of our policy on the civilian population insofar as that is possible.

1,008 posted on 12/30/2001 5:10:42 PM PST by Justin Raimondo
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To: Carry_Okie, Askel5
Afraid to complain
1,009 posted on 12/30/2001 5:20:46 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: Justin Raimondo
Try another tack, dude: this one is only making you and the rest of the Amen Corner look really bad . . . .

See a doctor for your tic, dude. It's getting worse and worse.

1,010 posted on 12/30/2001 5:20:48 PM PST by dighton
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To: NewAmsterdam
My butt is mine! Leave it alone! Who are you? Some poofter?

You should be so lucky, you a$$. ROFLMAO, BIG TIME!!!!

1,011 posted on 12/30/2001 5:22:42 PM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
Are you normal?
1,012 posted on 12/30/2001 5:25:47 PM PST by NewAmsterdam
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To: NewAmsterdam
Normally. LOLOL
1,013 posted on 12/30/2001 5:31:16 PM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: Don Joe
More enlightened, issue-based criticism from the "Hate Justin" crowd? Or am I to be the next target for the name-calling childishness that's permeated the responses so far?

Were there some FACTS you cared to contend?

1,015 posted on 12/30/2001 8:23:00 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Don Joe
Evidentally someone wrote some "ethnic logic" that decided that a last name ending in "repa" was Italian, and thus was born my new heritage. :)

Well welcome! :) It's always nice to have an intelligent addition; what with John "the last of the mohicans" Gotti and all. It's not easy explaining how someone as left of the bellcurve as him remains a living member of the tribe.

1,016 posted on 12/30/2001 9:16:31 PM PST by Aedammair
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To: Justin Raimondo
There are more Jews in America than in Israel, wouldn't you say? So it appears that the majority agree with me.

On what, exactly?

There are more folks of Irish or German descent in America than there are in Ireland or Germany. I'm not sure I follow the relevance of this to our foreign policy.

No, there is nothing in the Constitution specifically about how America is the best homeland for the Jews. In a more general sense, though, the idea of universally recognized rights and freedom from government, particularly the concept of freedom of religion enshrined in the Bill of Rights, is the political basis of my contention.

These rights aren't "universally recognized." They're recognized (in principle, if not always in practice) by the US Constitution, and extended to American Citizens and to those whom we see fit to welcome here. We don't have any obligation to extend them to everyone.

Was there another possible basis for your contention?

On the Palestine question: As an advocate of noninterventionism, I would be in violation of my own principles if I designed some scheme whereby these two ancient desert tribes could live side-by-side in peace. Not all problems have solutions, however, and the US government is under no obligation to provide one in this case or any other outside its own borders. However, we do have a moral obligation, after subsidizing the Israeli occupation, to mitigate the effects of our policy on the civilian population insofar as that is possible.

Well, I really don't see where you've established a compelling argument to base our policy on notions implicit in the loaded term "Israeli occupation."

Sometimes countries start wars, and lose territories. That's a good thing, because it serves as a disincentive to start a war.

That's why, for example, it would be silly to talk about the "Polish occupation" of parts Germany. The Germans lost a war they started, and it cost them territory. So did the Ottoman Turks.

So did the Arabs. That's life.

So, "Israeli occupation" goes the way of "settler colony."

In any case, the "a radically decentralized secular bi-national state" idea doesn't work, because we can't implement it and remain noninterventionist. Do I have that right?

As for the rest of #1003, shall I assume those points are not in dispute?



1,017 posted on 12/30/2001 10:27:52 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: CommiesOut
David Ben-Gurion himself frequently referred to his main opponent Jabotinsky as "Vladimir Hitler."

It takes one to know one.

1,018 posted on 12/30/2001 10:30:42 PM PST by malarski
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