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To: knighthawk,ipaq2000, lent, veronica, sabramerican, beowolf, nachum, benf, monkeyshine,angelo, bos
The following articles I translated are about some Dutch people that are connected to fundamentalist organizations/foundations with the links to Saudi-Arabia. And some of the results this has on our society. In Holland muslims organizations got a strong hold on politics. There are currently about 1,5 million muslims in Holland (about 10% of our total population) and 705 Moroccan and 1024 Turkish organizations/foundations in Holland (from the mosque database.
5 posted on 12/25/2001 3:54:32 AM PST by dennisw
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  Johnny Walker Green

by Daniel Pipes
New York Post
December 24, 2001
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/37336.htm

John Walker Lindh's case may seem eccentric and unique. How many 20-year-olds from Marin County, Calif., especially ones
named after a Beatle and children of a convert to Buddhism, end up in a dank cellar in Afghanistan fighting with the most
fanatical of al Qaeda terrorists?

Obviously, not many. But Walker illustrates three important and troublesome trends.

One concerns the powerful lure of militant Islam for alienated Westerners. What Walker, also known as Abdul Hamid, told his
Islamic teacher in Pakistan - "In the U.S. I feel alone. Here I feel comfortable and at home" - is a sentiment others share.

David Hicks, for example, is a 26-year old Australian whom a friend described as someone who "didn't like the way things
were going," so he also turned to militant Islam.

Now called Mohammed Dawood, he has fought since 1999 for no less than three extremist groups - the Kosovo Liberation
Army against Serbia, Lashkar-e-Taiba against India, and al Qaeda against the world. Like Walker, Hicks was apprehended in
Afghanistan.

Isanu Dyson, a 24-year-old resident of Portland, Maine and recent follower of militant Islam, never got to Afghanistan because
of family obligations, but he sure wishes he had, telling The Post he wants to get "out of the country, renounce my citizenship,
end up in Afghanistan, pick up a gun and fight alongside everyone else against the enemy - American soldiers."

These young men are sending a message: Green (militant Islam) has replaced brown (Nazism) or red (communism) as the
ideology of choice for Westerners who loathe their own societies. They revel in militant Islam's opposite outlook on everything
from eating utensils to female modesty to the role of religion in the state.

Most of all, however, they cherish militant Islam's deep hatred of the West. They cheered the Sept. 11 attack (Walker: "Yes, I
supported it") and dream to see the forces of Islam defeating their home countries.

Second, the alienation of these wild-eyed converts reflects sentiments found among militant Islamic elements - converts and
immigrants alike - in Western Muslim populations. Specifically, survey research found that as many as 10 percent of the
Muslims in Holland sympathized with the Sept. 11 assault.

More broadly, militants vociferously oppose the war on terrorism. Reuters reported in September that many Muslims in the
United States "say they would send financial help to any Arab nation attacked by U.S. forces, especially if civilians come under
fire."

It quoted Mohammed Batal, an 18-year-old Syrian immigrant living in Brooklyn, that if American forces "attack my Muslim
brothers, I will help my brothers. First, I'm a Muslim, then a Syrian and then an American."

In Great Britain, about 200 Muslims protested in October at the central London mosque in Regents Park, chanting slogans
("Tony Blair, burn in hell"), torching the U.S. flag, and burning pictures of U.S. and British leaders.

In London, militant Islamic organizations openly solicited young Muslim men to fight for the Taliban, with some success: some
200 British nationals of Middle Eastern and South Asian origins (as well as 80 French nationals) joined Walker and Hicks in
Afghanistan.

Third, even non-militant Muslims living in the West reject the war on terror. Whereas some 90 percent of Americans
consistently support their president's handling of the hostilities, nearly the same proportion of Muslims dissent.

An unscientific poll on a U.S. Islamic Web site in October registered 74 percent opposition to the airstrikes - roughly the same
as in Kuwait, where a November survey found 82 percent opposed the war effort in Afghanistan.

After the Taliban regime was tottering, a more scientific poll conducted by Zogby International, found the percentage of U.S.
Muslims opposed to the war had dropped to 43 percent - still four times higher than the national average. A Market &
Opinion Research International survey found 64 percent of British Muslims in late November opposing the war effort in
Afghanistan.

That Western Muslims view the war on terrorism like their coreligionists abroad indicates how politically estranged they are
from their non-Muslim neighbors.

All three of these trends are worrisome, to put it mildly. But the delicacy of the issues involved causes Western leaders and
institutions to shy away and pretend all is well.

This is a mistake, for the longer this estrangement festers, the more difficult it will eventually be to address.
 

55 posted on 12/25/2001 9:58:41 AM PST by Lent
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To: dennisw
Barzizaoua sees that in the Netherlands an increasing number of youths that are getting more serious about learning the islamic fundaments. Not only since 11 september, like Osama claims, but since years. "At our lectures there are two- to threehundered young people in the room. During the ramadan they are present almost every day, the rest of the year at least once a month."

Unbelievable. I guess, these are "how to become a terrorist" lectures.

63 posted on 12/25/2001 3:06:41 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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