[Torie]

The traditional definition of socialist is one who thinks the government should own the means of production. That has little or no saliency now.

[MadameAxe]

The traditional definition of socialist is one who thinks the government should own the means of production.

Hmm, I thought that was the traditional definition of a communist. I guess communism could be considered the most extreme form of socialism.

BTW, my initial point would seem to remain untoppled -- a libertarian cannot simultaneously be a socialist.