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To: Capitalist Eric
My hunch is that you may, and I stress may, be on to something, but you haven't posted one single study, statistical analysis, or dreaded poll to support your contention that Republicans lose more voters over abortion than they gain.

Ping me when you post something more than your opinion, as I'd like to know what your opinion is based on.

97 posted on 12/21/2001 8:28:14 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: Kryptonite
My hunch is that you may, and I stress may, be on to something, but you haven't posted one single study...

Nope. Didn't do it. Why bother?

Let's look at it from a different perspective, for just a moment, OK? And keep in mind, my specialties are nuclear power and robotics (don't ask, long story).

Certain aspects of society are conducive to the survival of said society. Herein lies the underlying value of religion- to establish rules of conduct that all citizens can live by, to peacefully coexist. Rules like, don't ogle (much less touch) my wife, don't steal, don't lie under oath, etc. Things that make it so that some schmoe doesn't want to break out the old 12-gauge shotgun, and come hunting for you...

These same rules also apply on a more subtle level- rules that make families stronger and more willing to live within the bounds of society... Such rules are those that prevent premarital sex, easy divorces (and child support, alimony, etc.) and such things that might make the responsibility for an unwanted pregnancy easier to shirk or ignore...

These are societal issues that have been around, quite literally, for thousands of years... There has been no study done, because nobody ever questioned the wisdom of the strong family, and family values...

The media elites love to treat the "nuclear family" with utter contempt- because they taught their kids values, instilled them with morals, and tried to teach them how to work...

Again, I'm no sociologist. If you were to engage me on sociological questions, I'd not have the background to give meaningful answers. However, these things I have seen, and think so much about, stand to the test of reason.

Have there been studies done? Unlikely, but it's possible. So I won't pretend to quote them. All I can say for sure, is that the trends for abortion, for dead-beat parents, for the moral decay that is so blatant all around us, does NOT stem from the abortion issue. In reality, abortion is the most overt symptom of a world gone insane... And the moral decay has been around (arguably) since the 60's, with flower-power, free-love, and all the rest of that crap.

I'm not going to cite polls- because, with any statical test, the results can be made to say anything you want. I'm not going to cite studies- because I don't think there's been any meaningful studies done, in this area... (Nobody wants to pay for a study saying the nuclear family is great, but they do pay for saying that two gay parents can still raise a "normal" child...)

I don't know how I can convince you, so I won't try. I think that, trying to do so absent any HARD DATA (for someone who demands this), is an insult to both. Especially when the data doesn't yet exist...

But, I hope this helps you understand where I'm coming from. When twits get out here, and say that the abortion issue is the be-all, end-all of politics for the republicans, without realizing that it's a straw-man, I get highly annoyed. Because, though they're sentiments are understandable, the emotions overwhelm the common-sense necessary, to understand that abortion is only one symptom of a much larger, much uglier problem...

Along with the political realities of the abortion issue, this is the only other thing I can say, with absolute certainty... And I don't need a study, a poll (or any other wet finger in the wind) to convince me of the veracity of THAT.

FReegards,

154 posted on 12/21/2001 10:30:05 PM PST by Capitalist Eric
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