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Poll: IF, and this is a BIG if...

Posted on 12/21/2001 6:52:48 PM PST by LSUsoph

Dick Cheney due to health reasons decides to withdrawl his name from the ticket in 2004 after a very successful term as Vice President. He figures he can still stay close to the President and advise him in any way possible, but not have to deal with the every day hustle of being the Vice-President of the country. So who would President Bush pick to be his new VP? I think Condi Rice would be a wonderful choice but I dont know if this country (especially the Republican Party) is ready for a VP who is black, a woman, and from the South (Alabama). I also love Powell but would he and Pres Bush be able to work hand in hand as P-VP? Donald Rumsfeld is a terrific Sec of Defense and I think he would make a great President one day...maybe him being VP could lead us to 8 great years of a Rumsfeld Presidency after 8 great years of Bush. Other candidates that come to mind would be Tom Ridge, Liddy Dole, Ashcroft, and dare i say it...JOHN MCCAIN ( i know, i know, but i think the Bush-MCcain ticket would be a shoe in). My pick would have to be Rice, she is worth her weight in Gold. She is a genius, works well with Bush, and would really be great for the country. And what would the naysayers say after Bush nominates a black woman to be his right hand WOMman?? I think they would just have to throw up the white flag! GO DUBYA!


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To: SentryoverAmerica
If the shoe fits....
582 posted on 12/29/2001 12:19:14 AM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: All
It's WAY past Auntie's bedtime. Would the last one up please turn out the lights and set the RAT traps in the attic? Thanks. G'night mates!
583 posted on 12/29/2001 12:19:14 AM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: Aunt Polgara; ALL
Your post is the most BRILLIANT post regarding strategy out of these 550 or so that I've read. WOW! Here's what I'm thinking: I've been telling my conservative friends for months that what we need to do is encourage people to "go Green"; in fact, I encourage the "Greens" I know to stand by their party, BECAUSE----if WE can get the liberals to split into two parties, then Republicans become the majority. I think this is really what it is all coming down to--whether the Left or the Right will split. I mean, the whole reason (which we've forgotten unfortunately) that Clinton was elected in '92 is that Ross Perot was positioned there by the Dems and the liberal media to siphon votes away from Bush Sr.! Clinton only received 43% of the popular vote, and 49% in '96. The harsh reality is, Democrats understand strategy, from their hard work studying Stalin, the Nazis, communist radicals, etc. We conservatives are intelligent, honest people who are busy working and raising our children, and we naively believe that good guys finish first. Look what's happened to Britain: The Tories have no real power because the conservatives got split. As much as I admire some tenets of Libertarianism, and I love Buchanan and like the fiscal conservatism of MN Gov. Ventura, we cannot keep getting caught up in the finer points of ideology because we lose our power when we do so. We need to realize too that we need to remember that 15% (or more) of the population is STUPID, and they vote for who is "nice". We must package conservatism in an attractive way to the bottom-feeding idiots! I mean, the thing is, I care about the dummies too! The reason Dems get the "stupid" vote every time is because they learned from Stalinism ("useful idiots"), and because they have taken over education, so they have an almost free reign to dumb down American schoolchildren, brainwash them, and put them on drugs.

What do you think?

584 posted on 12/29/2001 12:19:16 AM PST by rightwinggardeninggirl
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To: rightwinggardeninggirl
You're funny. As to spiltting the Dems, it really is a very good idea. Help Nader and the Greens get a forum...

The cultural conservatives and the country-clubbers need to sign on to each other's agendas, instead of selling them out as some others have indicated.

585 posted on 12/29/2001 12:19:17 AM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: SentryoverAmerica
The
"I'm Obviously
One Bored Individual
Award"

To
SentryoverAmerica

:-)

586 posted on 12/29/2001 5:34:18 AM PST by JoeMomma
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To: rightwinggardeninggirl;Dr. Good Will Hunting
We need to realize too that we need to remember that 15% (or more) of the population is STUPID, and they vote for who is "nice".

One of our biggest problems is that we will NEVER have the mainstream media. They will ALWAYS try to exploit any divisiveness in the GOP. Can you imagine what it would be like if conservatives owned the media and the havoc we could wreak on the RATS between the hard-working redneck union RATS and the tea and croissant-homosexual-drug using-anything goes RATS? Oh, how sweet it would be.

That's why forums such as this one and talk radio are so important, so that we can see that there are others just like us in the good ol' US of A.

As much as I admire some tenets of Libertarianism, and I love Buchanan and like the fiscal conservatism of MN Gov. Ventura, we cannot keep getting caught up in the finer points of ideology because we lose our power when we do so.

I'm not too sure exactly what you mean by this. If you mean that we need to give up our principles, then I couldn't disagree with you more.

I prefer Dr. GWH's approach of signing on to each other's agenda. We need to become the party of Fiscal AND Social conservatism.

587 posted on 12/29/2001 6:14:27 AM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: JoeMomma
'Morning Joe!

I find it interesting that the RATS on this forum seem to think that being pro-life precludes being pro-gun, pro-defense, pro-liberty, pro-Constitutional government, etc., etc.

At least in my experience, virtually all politicians who are pro-life are conservative across the board. It's the the pro-abort RINO politicians who tend to stray from conservatism in other areas too.

For example, here in CA, our last GOP senate candidate was pro-abort RINO Tom Campbell. He was far to the left of Diane Feinstein on virtually every issue. Can you believe that we in CA would choose Diane Feinstein because she was the MORE CONSERVATIVE candidate???? shheesshh.

588 posted on 12/29/2001 6:25:26 AM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: IM2Phat4U
Here's the poll from the other thread. Lots of good stuff in there.

For immediate release
Wednesday, March 21, 2001

Pro-Life Sentiment

MEMORANDUM

To: Interested Parties

From: Kellyanne Fitzpatrick
President and CEO
the polling company™

Date: March 21, 2001

Re: Pro-life sentiment; a potential stonewall for “Unborn Victims” opponents.  



A Post-Election Day survey conducted by the polling company™ of 803 individuals who cast a ballot in the 2000 election revealed the latest evidence of a growing pro-life sentiment among actual voters.  A plurality (48%) of the electorate and over half (51%) of female voters hold a pro-life position on abortion .  

Respondents were asked to place their opinion on a six-point scale, ranging from “abortions should be prohibited in all circumstances,” to “abortions should be allowed at any time during a woman’s pregnancy and for any reason.”    

Question:

Which of the following statements most closely reflects your position on the issue of abortion?  

48% TOTAL PRO-LIFE
17% ABORTIONS SHOULD BE PROHIBITED IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES
10% ABORTION SHOULD BE LEGAL ONLY TO SAVE THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER
21% ABORTIONS SHOULD ONLY BE LEGAL IN CASES OF RAPE, INCEST OR TO SAVE THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER

41% TOTAL PRO-CHOICE
24% ABORTIONS SHOULD BE LEGAL FOR ANY REASON, BUT NOT AFTER THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF PREGNANCY
5% ABORTIONS SHOULD BE LEGAL FOR ANY REASON, BUT NOT AFTER THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF PREGNANCY
12% ABORTIONS SHOULD BE ALLOWED AT ANY TIME DURING A WOMAN’S PREGNANCY AND FOR ANY REASON

10% DON’T KNOW/ REFUSED (VOLUNTEER)

The results indicate bad news for opponents of the “Unborn Victims of Violence Act” who denounce it at jeopardizing a woman’s “choice” in hopes of rallying the electorate to oppose it, as they might find it hard to locate voters who agree.  Seven-in-ten (70%) voters are potentially separate from the liberal Democrats on the abortion issue; either conceding that it is permissible only during the first three months, only in the case of rape, incest or health, or opposing it completely.  

The most frequently offered response among the general electorate was “abortions should be legal for any reason, but not after the first three months of pregnancy,” however, the total number of voters holding a “pro-choice” opinion fell seven points short of those holding a “pro-life” position (41% pro-choice, 48% pro-life).  What’s more, only 12% agreed with the Left’s “abortion anytime, anyone, anywhere” attitude.  

While the Democrats continue to air their incessant plea to “protect a woman’s right to choose,” women are choosing life.  

 In addition to women having a higher propensity than the general electorate to side with “pro-life,” almost two-in-ten (19%) believe “abortions should be prohibited in all circumstances,” 10% believe “abortion should only be legal to save the life of a mother,” and 22% say “abortions should only be legal in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of a mother.”

 Just under three-in-ten women (28%) thought “abortion should be legal, but not after the first three months of pregnancy,” 3% said it “should be legal, but not after the first six months of pregnancy,” and only 11% said “abortion should be allowed at any time, for any reason.”  

 Among women with children (38% of the electorate), 53% held a “pro-life” position with almost one-quarter (24%) saying that “abortion should only be legal in the cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of a mother.”  

Unfortunate for the Left, a self-defined Democrat is much more likely to be pro-life (40%), than a Republican is to be pro-choice (27%), and only 14% of Democrats want a no-holds barred abortion policy (abortions should be allowed at anytime during a woman’s pregnancy, for any reason).          

 Almost four-in-ten (38%) Democratic women are also “pro-life.”  Exactly half (50%) are “pro-choice,” but only 13% say that “abortions should be allowed at any time during a woman’s pregnancy and for any reason” (33% say “abortion should be legal for any reason, but not after the first three months of pregnancy,” and 4% say it “should be legal for any reason, but not after the first six months of pregnancy”).  

 Almost two-thirds (65%) of Republicans are “pro-life,” along with 44% of Independents, and 40% of Democrats.  Almost half (49%) of Democrat’s are “pro-choice,” as are an equal amount of Independents (49%), and 27% of Republicans.
As Congress nears the second vote on the “Unborn Victims of Violence Act” which was passed by the House 1999 but never acted upon in the Senate, Democrats lack the founding within the electorate, and within their own party, to claim that abortion drove voters to the polls.  

In an open-ended question that asked voters the issue that was most important when deciding how to vote, only 4% said “abortion” (2% “pro-choice,” 2% “pro-life”), and half that (2%) thought it should be placed on the top of the American agenda (1% “pro-choice,” 1% “pro-life”).  

Only 2% of Democrats said “abortion” was most important when making electoral decisions (1% pro-life, and 1% pro-choice), and Republican’s were more likely to be motivated by the “pro-life” issue (5%), than Democrats were to be motivated by “pro-choice” (1%).

Alternatives to Abortion

Support for the pro-life position is mirrored in the electorate’s tendency to endorse the use of federal monies to fund organizations that provide alternatives to abortion.  the polling company™ conducted a post-election survey of 803 actual voters for People For Caring Alternatives, and found more than two-in-three (67%) support federal funding of agencies that provide alternatives to abortion.  A plurality, and over one-third (36%) say they strongly support such usage of taxpayer money for such purposes .

What’s more, the wide-spread support across party lines indicates the public is receptive to the idea of federal dollars supporting organizations that assist unwed pregnant women who choose to carry their pregnancy to term. Where as just over half of Republicans (53%) endorsed government spending on abortion alternatives, exactly three-quarters (75%) of Democrats, and an almost equal amount (74%) of Independents did so as well.  

Suggesting the potential political currency of the issue, 62% of the electorate is more likely to vote for a candidate who supports government funding for programs that provide unwed pregnant women with an alternative to terminating a pregnancy, three and one-half times higher than those who would oppose such a candidate (18%).  The intensity of such support is notable, with twice the number of voters saying “strongly support, (41%)” than “somewhat support, (21%).”

This, combined with the public’s tendency to hold a pro-life position on the issue of abortion, and the amount of Democrats that uphold a “pro-life” opinion indicates that an appetite for defeat of the “Unborn Victims of Violence Act” does not exist.  

The Post-Election Survey also showed evidence of a moral depression, as voters are most likely to give the morality of the country during the past eight years a grade of “F.”

Question:

And if you had to assign a grade to the morality of the country during the past 8 years, would you give it an A, B, C, D or F?  

5% A
15% B
27% C
22% D
28% F

2% DO NOT KNOW/REFUSED (VOLUNTEER)

Women as a whole are favorable towards the state of morality, however those with children are much more pessimistic than the female population at large, and slightly more so that the general electorate.  Three-in-ten (30%) women offer the morality of the country a “C,” whereas an equal amount (30%) of women with children offer it an “F.”  

the polling company™ is a full-service market research and consulting firm based in Washington, D.C., with a satellite office in San Francisco.  For more information on the Post-Election Survey and data, please contact Kellyanne Fitzpatrick, CEO and president or Colleen McCulloch, research analyst at (202)667-6557.    


589 posted on 12/29/2001 10:36:48 AM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: SentryoverAmerica;Jim Robinson;archy; A Navy Vet; 4TheFlag; Aeronaut; summer ;Ragtime Cowgirl...
That sounds like a "results based argument".. An argument that is quickly losing ground in todays world of instant and unbiased news (FReerepublic.com) I dare say compromising on principle is NEVER a good idea, in matters such as this the ends DO NOT justify the means.. take a stand for what is right and America WILL FOLLOW.. Compromise on principle and you are no better than any other polititian..

FReegards,

David

David C. Osborne (For U.S. Senate in 2004)

590 posted on 12/29/2001 3:22:26 PM PST by davidosborne
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To: davidosborne
I would support JOHN ASHCROFT for President in a HEARTBEAT !!....
591 posted on 12/29/2001 3:23:25 PM PST by davidosborne
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To: SentryoverAmerica
With all due respect, I think you and many other so called "conservatives" are spending entirely too much time trying to figure out how to "win" at politics and are all too prepared and willing to sell out on principles that make us different from the liberals.... Please take the time to carefully decide WHAT is worth standing up for, and not pay so much attention to WHAT must I compromise on to "WIN"...

FReegards,

David

592 posted on 12/29/2001 3:39:20 PM PST by davidosborne
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Comment #594 Removed by Moderator

To: SentryoverAmerica
Thank you for your kind and thoughtful suggestions and your willingness to discuss the matter without "name calling"..

I submit to you that the POLLS are NOT an accurate reflection of America.. We have found in recent history (9/11) that when America is resolved and is fighting for what is RIGHT, than we are UNITED.. minus a few liberals/communists..

I intend to hold onto my principles and wait for America to catch up, until then I will not stop fighting for what is RIGHT..

God Bless, and FReegards,

David

595 posted on 12/29/2001 4:06:41 PM PST by davidosborne
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To: SentryoverAmerica
I think we are in agreement on most issues, just a little different perspective on how best to go about getting it accomplished..

I agree that the best way to bring the GOP back to the RIGHT where it belongs is from the INSIDE, not from the OUTSIDE (Libertarian Party..etc)

David

596 posted on 12/29/2001 4:09:19 PM PST by davidosborne
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To: SentryoverAmerica
In the meantime lets figure out what principles ARE worth fighting for and STAND THE POST !!!

David

597 posted on 12/29/2001 4:15:46 PM PST by davidosborne
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To: SentryoverAmerica
Maybe we need to quit defending our "pro-life" position with the same arguments that the "pro-death" organizations do.. It is NOT a CHOICE its a BABY !!!

Lets call a spade a spade and quit pretending its about "our rights" and rationalizing the killing of innocent children......... America's Children that will never have the oportunity to vote because we killed them in the name of CHOICE !!

David

598 posted on 12/29/2001 4:27:44 PM PST by davidosborne
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To: SentryoverAmerica
The fact is, the DemocRATS GAINED seats. Do you honestly believe your pro-life cause benefited?

That is one fact, but the other fact is that if your methods were adopted the Democrats would have GAINED MORE seats, and that would have certainly not benefitted the pro-life cause.

600 posted on 12/29/2001 4:29:50 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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