Posted on 12/21/2001 6:52:48 PM PST by LSUsoph
You say it is, and that it's not debatable. I say you're a liar, maybe even a pathological liar, like you call me. So, it should be simple. Where is "separation of church and state" in the US Constitution?
Furthermore, I say you haven't read the Constitution, that's why you don't know what you're talking about. And you call ME a pathological liar?
End of debate? Hah! You've made an assertion you can't prove, because it's wrong, and you refuse to talk about it? What kind of American are you? Are you American? Where is "separation of Church and State" in the US Constitution?
Okay, number one was your figures about how many people support abortion--I posted above a Gallup poll from August of this year with the web address (so you can see that it's true) that shows that 60% of all Americans think abortion should be against the law in all but a few cases...
And then, number two is just now, you messed up on the U. S. Constituton...tsk tsk...
Don't thank me, it was a work of spiritual mercy, I was obligated.
So while the US Constitution doesn't specifically use the phrase "separation of church and state" that phrase is effectively what the "establishment of religion" clause means. As PCL has stated, there are a multitude of SCOTUS decisions that uphold this fact.
To put it another way, if I were to tell you that my shirt is "the color of fresh snow" and then PCL were to tell people that "Equality 7-2521 is wearing a white shirt" he would be correct even though I had never used the word "white."
"It would seem...that the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment had acquired a well-accepted meaning: it forbade establishment of a national religion, and forbade preference among religious sects or denominations...The Establishment Clause did not require neutrality between religion and irreligion nor did it prohibit the federal government from providing non-discriminatory aid to religion. There is simply no historical foundation for the proposition that the Framers intended to build the 'wall of separation' that was constitutionalized in Everson... The 'wall of separation between church and State' is a metaphor based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned."
So I guess there's more than one way to look at it...;-D
But I'm sure that pcl appreciates the helping hand, since pcl didn't know what it was talking about.
I am amazed. You are compelled to lie even when the facts are right in front of your face.
The Gallop Poll on abortion says:
Legal only in a few circumstances: 43%
Legal under most circumstances: 12%
Legal under any circumstances: 26%
Illegal under all circumstances: 17%
No opinion: 2%
It says 43% not 60%. You are so much of a pathological liar that you can not even copy information from a web page without making a lie out of it.
Can you understand why I don't want to debate issues with you? You are so compelled to lie that it makes logical debate simply impossible.
Legal only in a few circumstances: 43%
Illegal under all circumstances: 17%
Merry Christmas.
Pure coincidence. She has lied time and time again. She is a liar. She does what liars do. She lies.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with Justice Rehnquist on many issues. But on this one, he is at odds with the history books, his own Court's historical precedent, and the words of men like Thomas Jefferson.
The fact that you are ignorant of how many Americans are opposed to abortion also says a lot about you--because the facts are there to see, not what I say, but what the Gallup poll this year says, what Americans have told the Gallup organization...
For you to try to convince people that I am a liar, when time and again it is proven BY OTHER POSTERS that I have done nothing but tell the truth that you do not wish to hear is nothing...I don't care what you believe. You can be as willfully ignorant as you wish. You have insulted far too many people to garner much support. But you are welcome to keep trying.
As your name demonstrates.
As you have aptly demonstrated, wisdom and intelligence are two distinct things. Unfortunately, however, you have neither.
Gee... That kinda' makes them sound like liberals.
Fanatics, unable to use reason, irrational...?
Yep, definitely traits of liberal bed-wetters.
FReegards.
A typical newbie mistake.
If this wasn't a mistake, and you did read the comments in context, then I suggest you demonstrate retroactive abortion, by demonstrating it. Use yourself for the subject.
Become a member of the Darwin Club, as it's readily apparent you're too stupid to live as a fuctional individual in society.
Face it- you're JAFO.
Unfortunately for you, I don't make exhorbitant claims.
If it seems that way to you, I suggest you seek a psychiatrist. Tell him/her that you're suffering from massive inferiority complexes, coupled with delusions of rational thought.
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