Posted on 12/21/2001 6:52:48 PM PST by LSUsoph
Dick Cheney due to health reasons decides to withdrawl his name from the ticket in 2004 after a very successful term as Vice President. He figures he can still stay close to the President and advise him in any way possible, but not have to deal with the every day hustle of being the Vice-President of the country. So who would President Bush pick to be his new VP? I think Condi Rice would be a wonderful choice but I dont know if this country (especially the Republican Party) is ready for a VP who is black, a woman, and from the South (Alabama). I also love Powell but would he and Pres Bush be able to work hand in hand as P-VP? Donald Rumsfeld is a terrific Sec of Defense and I think he would make a great President one day...maybe him being VP could lead us to 8 great years of a Rumsfeld Presidency after 8 great years of Bush. Other candidates that come to mind would be Tom Ridge, Liddy Dole, Ashcroft, and dare i say it...JOHN MCCAIN ( i know, i know, but i think the Bush-MCcain ticket would be a shoe in). My pick would have to be Rice, she is worth her weight in Gold. She is a genius, works well with Bush, and would really be great for the country. And what would the naysayers say after Bush nominates a black woman to be his right hand WOMman?? I think they would just have to throw up the white flag! GO DUBYA!
You must know a strange group of pro-lifers, I do not know one acts in the way you describe.
The pro-life people on this forum are nearly unanimously supporting the war effort. But I forget, the war you are referring to is your war with the pro-life movement. I'm sorry, I won't march into the gas chamber just to suit a Kapo.
There is considerable evidence that the reverse is true. The pro-abortion movement was considered 'beyond the pale' prior to the Roe vs Wade decision. Pro-aborts were socially ostracized. They kept their opinions to themselves, because if they didn't they were shunned. They did not 'come out of the closet' until the Court put its oar in. The Supreme Court decision legitimized the abortion movement in this country.
What you forget is that many people in this country are like the Arab street mobs early this year. When binLaden was killing Americans, they cheered him. but when we started killing his supporters, they shut up. There is an old saying 'get them by the b--ls and their minds and hearts will follow'.
Welcome to Free Republic! Welcome also to 'the Good Fight'. As a friendly suggestion, remember that posters can't read your mind, or hear your tone of voice, so sometimes you need to make a special effort to get your intentions across (I am always making this mistake myself).
Well, what about last November's Los Angeles Times exit poll in which 14.7 million people (that's 14 percent) selected abortion as the most important issue in their presidential decision? Those Republicans preferred Bush over Democrat Al Gore by 58 percent to 41 percent.
The author is talking about the percent of voting Republicans who place abortion as their top issue and who went outside their party to vote for Gore. It is measure of how the abortion issue is weakening the Republican Party.
It looks to me like they're still pretty much in control right now (they have all of the money).
Well, these days they rarely send thugs with clubs to beat up conservatives opposing them, as then Republican John Lindsay did it the 1960's. I have lots of war stories, but their interest will depend on how much of a political activist you were prior to the Goldwater campaign.
So how would it be better if the 58 percent who voted for Bush not voted for him. 225 posted on 12/22/01 4:29 PM Eastern by pcl
http://www.nrlc.org/Election2000/advantage.html
THE PRO-LIFE ADVANTAGEBeing pro-life gives a candidate an advantage among voters. A 1998 post-election poll by Wirthlin Worldwide showed that 22% of all voters said abortion affected the way they voted. Of those, 59% (13% of all voters) voted for candidates who oppose abortion while 41% (9% of all voters) voted for candidates who favor abortion.
In a 1996 post-election Wirthlin Worldwide survey, 12% of the voters said abortion was one of the two most important issues in deciding their vote. Of those, 45% voted for Bob Dole compared to 35% who voted for Bill Clinton. These results were mirrored by a Los Angeles Times exit poll in which 14% of Dole voters cited abortion as one of the two most important issues, compared to 7% of Clinton voters.
In the Wirthlin survey, 13% of all women cited abortion as one their most important voting issues-- 50% voted for Bob Dole compared to 39% who voted for Bill Clinton. A Los Angeles Times nationwide exit poll found that 11% of women considered abortion one of the two most important issues in determining their vote. Of those, 54% voted for Bob Dole, while only 40% voted for Bill Clinton.
A 1994 post-election poll by Wirthlin Worldwide showed that 18% of all voters stated that abortion affected their vote and they voted for candidates who oppose abortion, while only 9% of all voters stated that abortion affected their vote and that they voted for candidates who favor abortion. Figures from a 1992 exit-poll conducted by Voter Research and Surveys show that President Bush had a sizable advantage over Bill Clinton among those who voted on abortion. Thirteen percent of all voters listed abortion as one of the top two issues which mattered most in deciding their vote. Of those, 55% voted for Bush and 36% voted for Clinton.
An ABC News exit poll in 1988 found that 14% of all voters said abortion was "very important" and they voted for George Bush while 9% said abortion was "very important" and voted for Michael Dukakis. USA Today acknowledged that in the 1988 election, George Bush held an advantage among those who voted on abortion:
"Despite all the TV ads and speeches on prison furloughs and the Pledge of Allegiance, few voters cited those as key issues.
The No. 1 issue: abortion, cited by nearly a third of voters interviewed by ABC News. And those who cited abortion went for Bush."
One of their problems is that they prefer ruling in Hell to serving in Heaven. Their arrogance is also of Luciferian proportions. As we both know, there are none as blind as those who WILL NOT see.
I would prefer to see all Republicans vote for Republicans. It is sad that the GOP is driving so many Republicans to vote for the opposite party because of the aboriton issues.
I have no idea where these folks are coming from. Apparently, the GOP was the dominant political party before 1973 and held massive majorities in both houses. I was unaware of this.
There can be interesting strategic debates over the abortion issue, but the one here has certainly not been one of them. The statistical evidence is almost unanimous that the issue helps Republicans nationally.
I am glad this is so but would be as fervantly pro-life if it were not so.
I would be interested in learning where you pick up such nonsense. You do not know the facts, and seem to have some sort of fanatic religious reason not to find them out. I find religious bigotry such as yours really out of place on a conservative forum.
Another case of deceptive wording from an agenda source. A lot of things affect the way we vote. This is not the same as being a single issue voter.
At the Wirthlin Web Site, they say:
Although virtually all voters weigh the various attributes and positions of candidates before going to the polls, some will vote based on a candidate’s position on a single issue.
As we have found in the past, a majority (53%) say that there is no single issue that would sway their vote. Among those who are single issue voters, abortion is cited most often as the decisive issue.
In all, 15% now say that abortion is the single issue determining their vote, with those who oppose abortion (9%) holding a slight advantage over those who favor it (6%)
It appears that Wirthlin has no data on the 2000 elections.
Agreed. You don't, and therefore miss the entire point of the conversation I've been having with others...
See post #154.
With regard to what you think of me, there is no possible way I could care less. I have seen some people keep trotting out polls, saying this opinion is more popular, over that one, and therefore... blah blah blah...
Thomas Carlyle pointed out that "Popular opinion is the greatest lie in the world." Abraham Lincoln said, "avoid popularity if you would have peace..." Two different men, in different times, point out the same thing- that popularity is crap. Truth matters, reality counts, and whether you like or hate what I write doesn't matter one dram to me...
I'll point out the truth, whether you want it or not. If you appreciate honesty, stick around. If you want someone to kiss your backside...
Look elsewhere.
With regard to your final question, "why you are angry that pro-lifers are dividing the conservative movement by insisting on a pro-life president," the answer is self-evident. If you can't see this, then you, too, can count yourself among the 85% of people (as mentioned by Edison) that would rather die then think. Congratulations, on being on the side of popular opinion...
And again, that's not something I'd necessarily be proud of...
OIC. If you look at post 225 you will see me quoting some facts. Some facts that where published in a previous thread by IM2Phat4U. Some facts the show that Republican Party is being hurt by its abortion plank. Some facts that you referred to in your post 228. I have posted many references to the facts on abortion politics here on FR. I have not seen one such factual post from you. To further satisfy your needs for facts from me, take at look at this.
The polls show that many people who are pro-choice also do not support partial birth abortions. Partial births are one sort of abortion that most people oppose. A recent poll conducted on behalf of the Republican Party of Republican Party members shows that only 29% would support making it mandatory for candidates to declare themselves against partial birth abortions. If the proposed litmus test was no-abortions-ever you would see a much smaller number of supporters.
KIERAN MAHONEY & ASSOCIATES (R)
Conducted 7/17-20; surveyed 800 likely voters in swing congressional districts nationwide for the Republican Leadership Council; margin of error +/- 3.46% (release, 7/24). Interviews were conducted in the 77 congressional districts where the Republican candidate/incumbent for Congress in 1996 won or lost the district by a margin of 10 points or less. ^ indicates asked of registered GOPers. ^^ indicates asked of registered Dems. Click here to see entire national poll.
In general, on the issue of abortion, do you consider yourself more pro-choice or more pro-life? Pro-choice 47% Pro-life 44 Would you favor or oppose establishing a litmus test mandating that all Republican candidates oppose partial birth abortions before they can receive party support? ^ Favor 29% Oppose 58
Do you believe that vote hungry politcians pay attention to polls?
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