Posted on 12/21/2001 6:52:48 PM PST by LSUsoph
Dick Cheney due to health reasons decides to withdrawl his name from the ticket in 2004 after a very successful term as Vice President. He figures he can still stay close to the President and advise him in any way possible, but not have to deal with the every day hustle of being the Vice-President of the country. So who would President Bush pick to be his new VP? I think Condi Rice would be a wonderful choice but I dont know if this country (especially the Republican Party) is ready for a VP who is black, a woman, and from the South (Alabama). I also love Powell but would he and Pres Bush be able to work hand in hand as P-VP? Donald Rumsfeld is a terrific Sec of Defense and I think he would make a great President one day...maybe him being VP could lead us to 8 great years of a Rumsfeld Presidency after 8 great years of Bush. Other candidates that come to mind would be Tom Ridge, Liddy Dole, Ashcroft, and dare i say it...JOHN MCCAIN ( i know, i know, but i think the Bush-MCcain ticket would be a shoe in). My pick would have to be Rice, she is worth her weight in Gold. She is a genius, works well with Bush, and would really be great for the country. And what would the naysayers say after Bush nominates a black woman to be his right hand WOMman?? I think they would just have to throw up the white flag! GO DUBYA!
Look at post #118.
Of course, somehow, you'll pretend that facts are not facts, truth is not truth, and it all depends on the what the definition of is is...
ROFLMAO!!!!
Hilarious!!!
Freudian slip???
BTW, why do YOU care about this thread, given the FACT that YOU DON'T LIVE IN MY COUNTRY????
That's the problem.
You don't think. Hence your STUPID posts.
The reality is that no politician is ever going to change the abortion laws in the year 2001 without public support for it, because that's what it will require to amend the Constitution.
You two talk up a good game about worrying that splitting pro-life votes is going to hurt the GOP. But pro-lifers need to get with pro-life union members, pro-life environmentalists, pro-life civil rights activists and stop limiting the success of the pro-life movement to the election of Republican candidates. If the movement is to be successful, we should encourage those Democratic-leaning pro-life union members, pro-life environmentalists, pro-life civil-rights activists -- and yes, there are many in all three categories -- to know that being pro-life doesn't mean being restricted to support and membership in the Grand Oil Party.
This isn't about the survival of the GOP or any other political party. This about how many pro-lifers cheapen the pro-life cause by tying it to the success of a single political party -- when the reality is that the abortion problem won't be solved in the political arena, but by changing hearts among those in the public.
In this day and age it matters. Todays VP may be tomorrow's President. Hell, todays speaker of the house may be tomorrow's President!
Nope. Didn't do it. Why bother?
Let's look at it from a different perspective, for just a moment, OK? And keep in mind, my specialties are nuclear power and robotics (don't ask, long story).
Certain aspects of society are conducive to the survival of said society. Herein lies the underlying value of religion- to establish rules of conduct that all citizens can live by, to peacefully coexist. Rules like, don't ogle (much less touch) my wife, don't steal, don't lie under oath, etc. Things that make it so that some schmoe doesn't want to break out the old 12-gauge shotgun, and come hunting for you...
These same rules also apply on a more subtle level- rules that make families stronger and more willing to live within the bounds of society... Such rules are those that prevent premarital sex, easy divorces (and child support, alimony, etc.) and such things that might make the responsibility for an unwanted pregnancy easier to shirk or ignore...
These are societal issues that have been around, quite literally, for thousands of years... There has been no study done, because nobody ever questioned the wisdom of the strong family, and family values...
The media elites love to treat the "nuclear family" with utter contempt- because they taught their kids values, instilled them with morals, and tried to teach them how to work...
Again, I'm no sociologist. If you were to engage me on sociological questions, I'd not have the background to give meaningful answers. However, these things I have seen, and think so much about, stand to the test of reason.
Have there been studies done? Unlikely, but it's possible. So I won't pretend to quote them. All I can say for sure, is that the trends for abortion, for dead-beat parents, for the moral decay that is so blatant all around us, does NOT stem from the abortion issue. In reality, abortion is the most overt symptom of a world gone insane... And the moral decay has been around (arguably) since the 60's, with flower-power, free-love, and all the rest of that crap.
I'm not going to cite polls- because, with any statical test, the results can be made to say anything you want. I'm not going to cite studies- because I don't think there's been any meaningful studies done, in this area... (Nobody wants to pay for a study saying the nuclear family is great, but they do pay for saying that two gay parents can still raise a "normal" child...)
I don't know how I can convince you, so I won't try. I think that, trying to do so absent any HARD DATA (for someone who demands this), is an insult to both. Especially when the data doesn't yet exist...
But, I hope this helps you understand where I'm coming from. When twits get out here, and say that the abortion issue is the be-all, end-all of politics for the republicans, without realizing that it's a straw-man, I get highly annoyed. Because, though they're sentiments are understandable, the emotions overwhelm the common-sense necessary, to understand that abortion is only one symptom of a much larger, much uglier problem...
Along with the political realities of the abortion issue, this is the only other thing I can say, with absolute certainty... And I don't need a study, a poll (or any other wet finger in the wind) to convince me of the veracity of THAT.
FReegards,
I seriously doubt that she thinks "it's great that mothers have the right tp kill their kids".
I do believe she realizes that "this is reality!!!!!!!" People do this is today's society
Oh cripes, another "Southunuh" to run the party into the ground (Lott?) Can they govern? (Clinton? Carter?) I think we've had enough of their virtual power monopoly for a generation, thanks kindly.
Seriously, if Rice were pro-life, even with the Dole/Reagan exceptions, after an overwhelmingly successful prosecution of this war on terror she'd easily be accepted by the Republican party. Another issue, she's never stood for elective office. She also likes to "move on" to new things so she might not wish to be part of government in four years.
I also love Powell but would he and Pres Bush be able to work hand in hand as P-VP?
That's the question to ask about McCain, not Powell. That said, I've never liked Powell. He's was a political general. He's much too socially left for the base. I'm very uneasy with the "cult of personality" that seems to follow him around always whispering about being a 'shoe-in' as VP/Pres. He was and is unbelievably anti-Republican at times--I'm thinking of his interview on Larry King during the GOP convention.
Other candidates that come to mind would be Tom Ridge, Liddy Dole, Ashcroft, and dare i say it...JOHN MCCAIN
No to Liz Dole. The base hates her, often for the "sins" of her husband, for her (misrepresented) gun views, for her (misrepesented) abortion views, for her connection to The Red Cross. We'll see if she can get elected to success Helms in the Senate.
I'd rather stab my eyes out than see a Bush-McCain ticket.
Rice is interesting. Dole would've been a good VP in different times. There's a while yet to see who might be a good standard bearer in waiting.
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