[FormerLib]

Backup is making the assumption that just because he(?) cannot do a simple word search that this must be a new thing.

I was thinking along the same lines. He has us doing backflips attempting to prove something for him out of the Old Testament. It's quite easy to reason out the answer without playing wordgames: What does Orthodox Judaism teach about pre-marital sex? That closes the case for reasonable men.

[backup]

What does Orthodox Judaism teach about pre-marital sex? That closes the case for reasonable men.

What does Orthodox Judaism teach about the Messiah? Does that close the case for you?