AG Jenny Granholm on Michigan Gun Buyback, Information...and a little counter plan?????

Michigan's AG ^ | Dec 20 | Jennifer M Granholm(GRANDSTAND)

[Dan from Michigan]

December 20, 2001

Attorney General Jennifer M. Granholm along with Meijer Stores, the Michigan Sheriffs’ Association, and the Detroit Police Lieutenants and Sergeants Association today announced the kickoff of the "Project Safety" firearm buy-back program.

The voluntary incentive program is designed to promote home safety by providing a safe outlet for disposing of unused or unwanted firearms. In exchange for every functioning firearm turned in to Motor City Blight Busters, Inc., gun owners will receive a $50 cash card redeemable for groceries and other merchandise at any Meijer store. Meijer has donated approximately $30,000 to support the project. Organizers hope that hundreds of guns will be turned in.

Granholm said: "This is a 21st century version of beating swords into plowshares – it’s an opportunity to turn guns into gifts and groceries."

Granholm added: "For those who might have a gun in their home that they no longer want or use, this is an opportunity to exchange it for a little extra holiday cash instead of worrying about how to store it safely. I want to thank Meijer Stores, the Michigan Sheriffs’ Association, and the Detroit Police Lieutenants and Sergeants Association for their support."

John Zimmerman, Meijer Stores, said: "Families are the most important part of our business. Being a family-owned and operated store, we focus on the needs and security of our homes and of our families. The Project Safety gun buy-back program gives individuals a safe venue to remove an unwanted gun from the home. We hope our donation of $30,000 worth of gift certificates will promote and encourage families to safely dispose of unwanted guns."

Terry Jungel, Michigan Sheriffs’ Association, said: "This is not a gun safety issue. This is a home safety issue. Our goal is to make our communities and our homes safer places."

Jim Gawlowski, President, Detroit Police Lieutenants and Sergeants Association, said: "The Detroit Police Lieutenants and Sergeants Association is proud to participate in the Project Safety program that will make our communities safer."

Granholm said: "Unused or unwanted firearms pose a risk to children. More than 80 percent of children injured or killed in unintentional shootings are shot in their own homes or in the homes of relatives or friends."

The Project Safety turn-in excludes law enforcement personnel and federal firearms dealers who have other ways to dispose of` unwanted firearms. The program also limits each individual who turns in a weapon to a maximum of two cash cards. All guns turned in will be destroyed unless it is determined that the gun is stolen or is the subject of an ongoing law enforcement investigation.

Detroit "Project Safety" details:

Turn-in Dates: Friday, December 21, and Saturday, December 22, 2001
Time: 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.
Location: Motor City Blight Busters, Inc.
17405 Lahser Road
Detroit, Michigan
Phone: (313) 255-6056

[Dan from Michigan]

OK. According to our Webmaster Stephen Wire, a Store in Dayton is selling rifles for $35 each if you buy five of them. Since there is Meijers stores in Ohio, this affects you as well. Any Michiganders, in paticular in Monroe or Lenawaee Counties that are interested in this, please go to MCRGO boards or email Stephen Wire(on MCRGO website).

Mosin Nagant 91/30 Rifles 7.62x54R
Original WWII Russian Mosin Nagant 91/30 in Overall Good condition. Only $39.95ea. Buy five or more for only $35.00 each

[Dan from Michigan]

BOOM.

[Ben Bolt]

Boom your way to FReep Radio NOW .

[Dan from Michigan]

From SWire - I've got to see if this place will sell directly to the public. Normally they deal with just dealers. In the past they said I could stop in an buy ammo directly from them. They are only open Mon-Sat 9 to 5:30. I'll be calling first thing in the morning.

[xzins]

Offer a $60 buyback and undercut their buy. Offer resale at $70 for usable, safe, or rebuildable firearms.

[Registered]

Good idea, I think a gun raffle too might be interesting.

[Dan from Michigan]

Unfortunatly, I can't give away the plan(yet), but there will be a good one, especially if Stephen Wire can get the company to sell those cheap rifles to us(I can't make it though).

Those gift cards will be put to a good use though, I can tell you that......:D

[Dan from Michigan]

It is on.

Looks like Jenny will get a nice set of Russian battle worn rifles.....

[Dan from Michigan]

I may be able to pull it off and go on the trip too.

[an amused spectator]

Someone needs to ask John Zimmerman why Meijer is getting out of the grocery business and into the gun rights business. Pressure from the new Walmart superstores a little too much? ;-)

[glc1173@aol.com]

Buy any older realistic-looking toy cap gun at a yard sale. (Some even feel real.) Cheap.

Then stand in line with your ".45" or your "snubbie" to get your gift certificate!

Or even just stand in line the whole time - only to excuse yourself, saying that "my wife's paging me," when you're near the front - tying up the line.

Scandals of antigun politicians - from Kalifornia to New York City!

[Registered]

That's exactly right! Why doesn't he give the 30 grand to a local food pantry. The agenda is just sickening.

[Dan from Michigan]

I told Meijer that they are risking well over $1.6 Million (23,000) members at $50 a week)a week from MCRGO members alone.

This is stupid business if nothing else.

[xm177e2]

guns turned in will be destroyed

Your plan is a terrible idea.

Why lead all those rifles to the slaughter?

[the]

Anyone planning on buying 5 rifles at a time BE CAREFUL.

Given the limit of turning in 2 guns at a time per person, "participants" might be tempted to buy 5 guns, then give the excess to friends so that they might turn them in for the $50/per firearm..

There are, however, risks in so doing:

• Purchasing multiple firearms in one transaction WILL get you on certain lists you may not want to be on, such as the de facto registry created when the ATF produced documentation to Chicago concerning all purchasers of more than one firearm in a single transaction.
• Buying guns that you are not intending to be the ultimate owner of yourself could be characterized as a straw man purchase. Be very careful how you treat the "giving" of a gun that you just bought to another person. Do not buy a gun for a friend just to save the $4.95 that you can save by buying 5 at a time.
• (This one is a long shot, but) Buying multiple guns that you then intend to provide to others, for financial gain, could be construed as engaging in the business of dealing in firearms. If you do this, and you do not have an FFL, you could be violating Title I of the Gun Control Act of 1968, which requires anyone engaged in the business of dealing in firearms to have an FFL

This quick analysis is not intended to be complete, and it only takes into consideration federal ramnificaitons of buying multiple firearms at once, all of which may not be for you. I am not familiar, however, with further restrictions that MI might place on firearms. (MI Firearms Law, all 144 pages of it!)

Happy Freeping, have fun, but BE CAREFUL.

This could backfire and turn into a media event around the mass unlicensed dealing of firearms by a bunch of right-wing fanatic whackos. This is, obviously, not the way I see it, but the media will NOT be on your side, as you already know.

Done well this will not be a problem, just don't get greedy. It is not worth $5.00 per rifle to face federal prosecution.

[Dan from Michigan]

Good point. If I go, I'll bring up what you said.

[the]

Good Luck.

Damn shame about Meijer's. My wife grew up near Grand Rapids, and we go out there every year for either Christmas or Thanksgiving (This year Christmas.)

Pretty much every time we go out there I wind up going to Meijer's for something. There are no stores anywhere that I have lived on the east coast (NY, CT, NJ, MD & VA) that approach their variety, cleanliness, friendliness and just all around niceness.

Too bad the chain is now run by a budding fascist. If I need anything next week I'll be stopping into the Walmart on Alpine, instead of hitting the Meijer's that is almost its neighbor.

[Dan from Michigan]

It is a shame. The prices and selection overall are the best I've seen, especially for groceries.

Farmer Jack now.

[Drammach]

Take $1,000 cash money with You, peruse the line, and check out the guns offered.

Most will be trash, but some will be worth a lot more than $50.
Offer to buy the gun for $60, or $75..
As a private sale, there should be no problem.

Some states require paperwork be filled out on private sales/purchases.
However, most states do not indicate when the paperwork has to be filled out and turned in, i.e., before or AFTER the purchase.
Therefore, it is legal in many states to privately sell/purchase a firearm, then fill out any required forms after the fact, as long as the forms are turned in to the Sherrrifs Dept. within say, 90 days.

Go, buy, and possibly add to Your personal arsenal at below wholesale prices!!!