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United Sued for WTC Hijacking Attack
Reuters ^ | 12-20-01

Posted on 12/20/2001 9:02:10 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:29:07 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The widow of a New Hampshire man who was a passenger on the United Air Lines flight that slammed into the World Trade Center filed on Thursday what is believed to be the first suit against an airline stemming from the Sept. 11 attacks.


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To: 1Old Pro
Insurance doesn't insure against "an act of God or war". The airlines are not responsible in this case.

I wouldn't be interested in insurance payoff. I'd be interested in actual security measures, not bully-tactic lip service. Lack of coverage by insurance doesn't remove the responsibilty of providing safe passage to airline customers. That is still the responsibility of the airline company.

61 posted on 12/20/2001 10:58:14 AM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK
You cannot protect everyone from everything. The people responsible were the hijackers and those who sponsored them.
62 posted on 12/20/2001 11:05:49 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Stop making stupid statements when you obviously don't know anything about the industry.

I was employed in that industry for about twelve years. I've watched 'airport security' in action from clear vantage points. Airline companies are not at the mercy of the airport. Ever watch El-Al flight preparations? That is a private company from a foreign country that secures its own aircraft within US airports. They are serious about security. Airline companies can indeed pressure airports to do most anything, or they can perform post-security measures at thier own gates. They do it all the time. The airlines chose to be statisfied with the half-assed measures provided by airport authorities.

You aught to reflect on who is the stupid one if you think there are serious efforts to provide adaquate security measures even now, after the attacks. I do know security. I was trained by the US Army. Trust me. You can secure beyond that provided by brain-dead hamberger flippers with criminal records.

63 posted on 12/20/2001 11:14:27 AM PST by GingisK
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To: 1Old Pro
You cannot protect everyone from everything...

It is easily possible to provide true airport security without the Draconian and ineffective measures now in evidence. It is indeed possible to provide effective aircraft security. It is also possible to be negligent. Negligence is much less expensive, even if the airline companies loose a lawsuit or two along the way. The issue is, and always will be, money, not security.

64 posted on 12/20/2001 11:19:32 AM PST by GingisK
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To: one_particular_harbour
Purer.
65 posted on 12/20/2001 11:26:46 AM PST by US admirer
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To: GingisK
I agree with all you said. It just appeared from earlier comments that the airlines do the actual hiring and/or are responsible for airport security. They can exert pressure, yes. But the responsibility lies elsewhere. But aside from that holding the airlines responsible is wrong and lawsuits are attached to emotion, not fact (IMO)
66 posted on 12/20/2001 11:36:31 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
The wrong family member died in the crash. What idiots

If you don't own stock in the airline companies, what is your beef with an attempt to hold the airline company responsible for crappy security? The FAA has 'strict' mechanical codes for aircraft maintenence, but it seems a tail fell off nevertheless. Just why do you think the government should be the final word concerning your safety? There are mountains of evidence to prove government negligence and coverup in a variety of issues.

For example, Delta airlines maitains thier aircraft well above government standards. (Or at least they used to do so.) Should we admonish then for 'going above and beyond'?

67 posted on 12/20/2001 11:37:54 AM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK
The issue is, and always will be, money, not security.

Yes, it's why auto makers don't make their bodies out of titanium.

68 posted on 12/20/2001 11:41:30 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: GingisK
Tail fell off? Which crash were we referring to?

And airline security begins when you are under their care. I do not see how any airline can be sued for a hijacker enteringtheir airline. El Al? Private or State run? Who does the security? The airlines are not responsible at ALL for what happened on Sept 11th

69 posted on 12/20/2001 11:46:51 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
But the responsibility lies elsewhere..

Why? Those companies take money from passengers in good faith. These are the same companies who charge premium rates for short notice when this doesn't add additional cost to providing the service. These are the same companies that charge $65 to change flights when there was reason to do so ... except they found a way to get more money. These are the same companies that charge $1500 to fly to Chicago and $600 to fly to Shanghai.

In short, the airline companies do not provide a secure environment because they don't have to do that. The airport authorities don't provide security because they don't have to, either. These folks just get together and calculate the odds and the payout sums, then let the passengers assume the risk of loss of life. This is a risk/payout tradeoff. At no point have actual security concerns or 'life values' been considered.

I fail to understand why no party takes the responsibility for the lives of fellow Americans. They are choosing to place an 'estimated damages value' on life, not a premium on 'life'.

70 posted on 12/20/2001 11:47:16 AM PST by GingisK
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Tail fell off? Which crash were we referring to?

Flight 587. Minimum mechanical rules are made by the same folks that make the minimum security rules. Seems the rules don't work; and, they stem from the same organization you wish to tag for the 'security' responsibility. The airline companies are responsible for following the minimum requirements, but probably don't. That is why the airline companies really must assume those responsibilies in the long run. They also should rise above 'minimum standards' of PAC-influenced government agencies and treat thier customers as precious human life, not cargo for which insurance payouts can compensate.

71 posted on 12/20/2001 11:54:55 AM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK
In short, the airline companies do not provide a secure environment because they don't have to do that. The airport authorities don't provide security because they don't have to, either. These folks just get together and calculate the odds and the payout sums, then let the passengers assume the risk of loss of life. This is a risk/payout tradeoff. At no point have actual security concerns or 'life values' been considered

That isn't true at all.

72 posted on 12/20/2001 11:58:58 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
That isn't true at all

Your evidence to the contray?

73 posted on 12/20/2001 12:05:06 PM PST by GingisK
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Perhaps a law suit will expose-- "How Gore Aborted Air Safety."
WorldNetDaily.com by Joseph Farah

Follow the $$$ posted 9/24/01 by JohnHuang2

74 posted on 12/20/2001 12:07:22 PM PST by malia
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To: US admirer
Far in excess of yours, which I notice you haven't stated so far, despite feeling qualified to tell us how all attorneys react in all cases.

Was it you who called yourself a pro bono expert and then congratulated yourself on winning all "your" cases? Let's hear about your qualifications.

75 posted on 12/20/2001 12:08:44 PM PST by Melinator
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To: Dimensio
..Lawyers don't sue people, people sue people.

Don't say that too loud or the liberals will go into a tizzy trying to figure out how to enact Lawyer-control laws with stipulations such as a seven-day waiting period for legal counsel.

Naaahhh...what would the libs do without trial lawyers?

76 posted on 12/20/2001 12:12:59 PM PST by mafree
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To: mafree
Don't say that too loud or the liberals will go into a tizzy trying to figure out how to enact Lawyer-control laws with stipulations such as a seven-day waiting period for legal counsel.
Naaahhh...what would the libs do without trial lawyers?


And therein lies the problem. Do you want to clean up the mess that they make when their heads explode as they try to come up with a solution?
77 posted on 12/20/2001 12:24:30 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: GingisK
Notice that the gentlemen in this article agree with me. Remember, El Al is a private company, just like US carriers.

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,46740,00.html

78 posted on 12/20/2001 12:25:47 PM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK
Here's another look at El Al's security. I'm tring to find the description of 'seven rings of safety', which described El Al's security procedures. I think it might have been an internal document that I wasn't supposed to have seen.

I posted another reading link to myself that was intended for you. At any rate, check out:

http://www.fly-free.com/AirlineSecurity.html

There you will see a glimpse into how an airline company can indeed take responsibility for the lives of its passengers.

79 posted on 12/20/2001 12:37:03 PM PST by GingisK
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To: one_particular_harbour
I think that sumary judgment on liability in favor of the plaintiff's is likely and the only real issue is how much will the airlines have to pay in damages. As cold-hearted as it may sound, damages in cases where a person dies are generally much lower than if the plaintiff is badly injured because there are no health care issues and a crippled plaintiff is pretty hard for a jury to not get emotional about.
80 posted on 12/20/2001 12:42:12 PM PST by connectthedots
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