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To: Publius
nope,

The Valar didn't forge the Rings of Power. The Rings of Power were made in the _2nd_ Age. Sauron came back from the outlands, conned the elves. He worked with them to make the lesser rings (3 for elves, 7 for dwarves, nine for men) and then he forged the One Ring.

The Valar didn't want anything to do with them - thats why it had to be dropped in the place where it was made. It couldn't be sent across the "sundered seas" to the Valar.

5 posted on 12/19/2001 6:05:02 PM PST by glorgau
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To: glorgau
Sheesh, doesn't everyone know that??
6 posted on 12/19/2001 6:05:57 PM PST by glorgau
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To: glorgau
Sauron did not aid in forging the three rings presented to the Elven kings. This is why he has no power or influence in Lothlorien, etc. Sauron aided in the rings presented to the Dwarves. But since they had a separate creation he had no direct influence on them (they became unsociable- i.e. greedy and grumpy). The human kings didn't do so well...
9 posted on 12/19/2001 8:58:59 PM PST by Gwaihir
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To: glorgau
You are correct, the rings were forged in the Second Age. (One might quibble that inasmuch as Sauron forged most of them and he was a minor Vala, the "Valar" were in fact involved, although it isn't the Valar mentioned in the Silmarillion.

Now, why anyone is surprised at the relation between Tolkien's mythos and that of Norse mythology I do not know - Tolkien himself was quite open about it, and drew many of his Dwarvish names from that source. But some of us are having to bite our tongues these days - those of us who have studied these works in some depth and for some years, and actually, that's quite a few of us, tend to get snippy when johnny-come-latelies start to discover them for the first time and attempt to make profound observations before they've really examined the material. It's going to get worse - once the third movie is released people who have never even read any of the books are going to start waxing philosophical. By then I hope it'll be legal to kill them. In a compassionate way, of course...

13 posted on 12/20/2001 7:38:09 AM PST by Billthedrill
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