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To: Doctor Doom; alloysteel; Map Kernow
[Doctor Doom]Or about spontaneously arising order, just like in a free market place. :)

EXACTLY!

[alloysteel]We are all basically highly complex machines, and even the most sophisticated and gifted artisans among us have yet to achieve that level of intricate and knowledgeable technology.

As Dr. Doom pointed out, think free market. If you look at the history of any modern industry or marketplace or economy, chances are nobody ever sat down & designed it. It evolved, probably haphazardly & unexpectedly, from much simpler beginnings. Yet in some ways an industry or economy is just as amazing in its complexity & efficiency & resilience (what a combination!) as the very best designed individual machines, or most ordinary living organisms.

(Ironically, the only economies I know about that were explicitly designed are the Communist economies. And we know how well they turned out!)

38 posted on 12/18/2001 5:54:32 PM PST by jennyp
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To: jennyp
(Ironically, the only economies I know about that were explicitly designed are the Communist economies. And we know how well they turned out!)


41 posted on 12/18/2001 5:58:55 PM PST by OWK
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To: jennyp
As Dr. Doom pointed out, think free market. If you look at the history of any modern industry or marketplace or economy, chances are nobody ever sat down & designed it. It evolved, probably haphazardly & unexpectedly, from much simpler beginnings. Yet in some ways an industry or economy is just as amazing in its complexity & efficiency & resilience (what a combination!) as the very best designed individual machines, or most ordinary living organisms.

*YAWN!* Think about it: free markets are "spontaneous" only in the sense that they have no central planner. They are however directed by numerous intelligent individuals acting by design predicated on their own self-interest.

But if you really think you can compare them to spontaneous evolution from pond scum, why go right ahead....

45 posted on 12/18/2001 6:05:36 PM PST by Map Kernow
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To: jennyp
trace it back and you will find some neanderthal trading a spear for an axe. One of the two participants got the ball rolling. It didn't spontaneously happen from a lightning strike did it?
51 posted on 12/18/2001 6:09:08 PM PST by Chipper
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