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To: Carry_Okie
"So what IS the alternative to government management? Do you have one, Dave? I do."

I'm not so sure that you do.

Don't take this as an attack, just a deep question.
I've read the material at your website, but what is lacking, IMO, is anything approaching an empirical analysis to indicate that anything needs to be done to "protect" the environment. - Further, I submit that the overwhelming preponderance of evidence indicates that while it may be ugly, this so-called environmental damage around man's habitation is irrelevant in the big picture.

Our overall impact on this huge planet is nearly feckless, and visibly temporary. - Your example, Santa Cruz County, proves my point well. - In a short period of time much of what man has attempted to build, and change has been erased by natural processes.

I don't want to buy the book, only to find that it is based on a false assumption of need for action. - Can you help me here?

111 posted on 12/17/2001 4:20:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor
I recommend the book, although it is a tough read. As a forester, I agree that what we humans do, isn't much in the grand scheme of things -- but we are capable of thrashing an individual location to the point that it might not naturally recover (over grazing of the Aegean Islands comes to mind)

What is good about CO's book is that it articulates the problems with the current system. Assuming that the ESA and other legislative tripe are not repealed anytime soon, the book illustrates ways that the current system can be used against the "Rico nuts"....an interesting concept IMHO.

113 posted on 12/17/2001 4:45:00 PM PST by forester
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To: editor-surveyor
I've read the material at your website, but what is lacking, IMO, is anything approaching an empirical analysis to indicate that anything needs to be done to "protect" the environment. -

You did not read carefully. I did not say protect, I said manage. The empirical analyses are in the book. I am not fond of posting the whole thing on the website, seeing as it cost me $300,000 to write it.

I submit that the overwhelming preponderance of evidence indicates that while it may be ugly, this so-called environmental damage around man's habitation is irrelevant in the big picture.

I really don't care whether or not you are convinced. You are free to believe that human impact is irrelevant, but your argument devolves to a subjective conclusion as to what constitutes an adequate evidentiary case. Do you really want to go back to cities hanging sewer pipes over the river with people drinking it downstream? If you think that such problems needed fixing, do you want government doing that? If so, where does it stop? You are free to wait and think about that while the socialist machine rolls you down.

116 posted on 12/17/2001 5:06:23 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: editor-surveyor;forester;Carry_Okie
If you judge the book by the web-site info alone, you will be deprived of one of the most inspired genius ideas to turn the whole pile of pagan bull scat upside down. It's hard to believe, but he's got it boiled down to one page, nestled in the center of a meaty book like a gem that resembles the Hope Diamond!

It's not written for everybody with a bit of an academic tone, but brother does it ever have a patentable core idea!!!

He set it up with a scenario that I've endured here in the Sierra in public life. That was especially hard for me to wade through, but others need the bizzare experiences layed out.

Then he pulls the trigger and spells out the private sector (profitable) solution to making this a "good natured" society again, that doesn't have to be forced to "Spray, Scrape & Burn," or "Shoot, Shovel & Shut-up" and seethe under the heavy handedness of government enviro-thugs. IMHO

After investing in the book, you'll probably want to join me in raising the investment capital to launch the entities to truly protect God's handywork and shrink the government's worthless role!

121 posted on 12/17/2001 7:15:37 PM PST by SierraWasp
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