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Civil liberties speech draws catcalls
USA Today newspaper ^ | December 17, 2001 | John Bacon with staff and wire reports

Posted on 12/17/2001 5:05:25 AM PST by johnandrhonda

Hecklers drowned out a commencement speech when the speaker said the federal investigation of the Sept. 11 attacks might threaten civil liberties. Janis Besler Heaphy, president and publisher of The Sacramento Bee, was speaking Saturday to 17,000 people at California State University-Sacramento. When she raised questions about racial profiling, limits on civil liberties, and the establishment of military tribunals, the audience interrupted by heckling, clapping, and stomping their feet for five minutes. Heaphy stopped speaking but said she plans to continue to voice her concerns about potential civil liberties violations.


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To: Impeach the Boy
You misread me. I do not say that there is no need for conern, but those who froth at the mouth labeling Ashcroft a fascist and claiming we live in a police state, are silly.

Honestly, I can't remember any post where you expressed this concern. I mostly see you hurling insults on libertarian threads. Perhaps we'd have fewer flame wars if people like yourself argued for a more measured stance instead of telling people to take off the tinfoil hat and calling libertarians druggies. Just a thought.

61 posted on 12/17/2001 9:00:42 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: OWK
I did NOT say there was no need for concern. There you go. You boys see things where they don't exist and fear what is not, read what isn't written. It is the extreme rhetoric of the LP and tin foils that I rail against. The you-are-with-us-or-you-are-a-fascist crap that makes you guy so popular (.4%).
62 posted on 12/17/2001 9:01:06 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: Impeach the Boy
And how many votes did YOUR canidate get for president....

You seem to believe that there's safety in numbers.


63 posted on 12/17/2001 9:01:19 AM PST by OWK
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To: scottiewottie
.04% simply shows that Libertarians will not be fooled.

I'll be darned.

64 posted on 12/17/2001 9:01:48 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Impeach the Boy
I did NOT say there was no need for concern.

No of course not... you simply ridicule, condemn, chastise, and otherwise harrass anyone who even suggests that the actions of government should be subject to scrutiny.

Why anyone should get the idea that you are unconcerned, is beyond me.

65 posted on 12/17/2001 9:03:48 AM PST by OWK
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To: johnandrhonda
Homeland defense - of the Constitution
66 posted on 12/17/2001 9:04:06 AM PST by tberry
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To: scottiewottie
Scott, good to see you again. It has been a while. (you usually do not slink down to the name calling...."conservative slime"). Be that as it may, I DID NOT SUGGEST that this woman was a libertarian. I have said that much of what the libertarians say that is over the top (such as Ashcroft is a fascist), is also said by the ultra left. She got the same receiption that YOU boys will get if you stand before that crowd and say the same.
67 posted on 12/17/2001 9:05:25 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: OWK
I know that YOU are not effecting anything.
68 posted on 12/17/2001 9:06:21 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: OWK
I rise above the level of houseplant

I think that he means he is taller.

69 posted on 12/17/2001 9:06:41 AM PST by Joe Driscoll
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To: Impeach the Boy
you usually do not slink down to the name calling....

Do you read any of your posts at all?

70 posted on 12/17/2001 9:06:56 AM PST by OWK
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To: Impeach the Boy
I know that YOU are not effecting anything.

And you know this how?

71 posted on 12/17/2001 9:07:45 AM PST by OWK
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To: Joe Driscoll
I think that he means he is taller.

LOL

72 posted on 12/17/2001 9:08:12 AM PST by OWK
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To: Joe Driscoll
It means I am disqualified form joining the Libertarian Party. (just a joke...I don't want to sound like you guys....calling people statist and socialist and all those other terms from the highest levels of englighened political discourse found in the ranks of the true patriots.)
73 posted on 12/17/2001 9:09:32 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: Impeach the Boy;Kevin Curry;Roscoe;OWK;fod;NittanyLion ;scottiewottie;
Compare track records...

One would think that when the libertarians see who their bed fellows are, it would give them pause to think that maybe, just maybe, they may have the wrong take on a few issues.....NAH...not a chance.

Democrats and republicans are responsible for over 20,000 violations against the Constitution and the right to keep and bear arms. 

Democrats and republicans say this: "the government can't be trusted, The People even have a 4th Amendment to protect themselves from us, but The People must trust total strangers and open their doors to them."  Think discrimination laws.

Republicans and democrats expanded the national debt to over five-trillion dollars. 

Democrats and republicans have committed by far the greatest number of violations against The People, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Value producers versus value destroyers. If civilization had to chose between business/science and government/bureaucracy, eliminating the other, which is the better choice?

The first thing civilization must have is business/science. Business/science can survive, even thrive without government/bureaucracy. Government/bureaucracy cannot survive without business/science. In general, business/science is the host and bureaucracy is a parasite.

Aside from that, keep valid government services that protect individual rights and property. Military defense, FBI, CIA, police and courts. With the rest of government striped away those few valid services would be several fold more efficient and effective than they are today. 

74 posted on 12/17/2001 9:12:03 AM PST by Zon
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To: Zon
2,000 violations....say, did you keep a notebook?....Did you write them some citations?...LET ME SEE YOUR BADGE!!!!
75 posted on 12/17/2001 9:13:23 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: Zon
If you're sad and you know it...
76 posted on 12/17/2001 9:13:23 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: OWK
If anyone is interested in reading the address, it's up at:

http://www.csus.edu/commence/addresses.html

77 posted on 12/17/2001 9:16:28 AM PST by Eddeche
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To: Impeach the Boy
And how many votes did YOUR canidate get for president

I don't have a candidate, don't expect one soon. I voted for Bush, because I was against Gore. My vote was expedient because the fascist oligarchy represented by the DNC has recieved too much strength from the corporate welfare pimps in the hill.

There is a difference between the parties, far more pronounced than in the past. The corporate welfare whores that buy the GOP are starkly different. I appreciate the damage that has been done to the DNC and when the GOP becomes too abusive, I wish the same destruction upon them. What I hope for is a voice of fiscal conservatism and constitutional construction at the federal level, as long as that is possible within the GOP, they have my support. The Libertarian party never did and most likely never will. Political parties are by far the most abusive labor organizations in America, to imagine that Libertarians would entertain such an oxymoron is as you say, stupid.

78 posted on 12/17/2001 9:18:15 AM PST by scottiewottie
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To: scottiewottie
Thanks. Well said.
79 posted on 12/17/2001 9:20:03 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: Roscoe
If you're complacent and you know it..

do nothing

80 posted on 12/17/2001 9:26:46 AM PST by fod
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