Posted on 12/17/2001 5:05:25 AM PST by johnandrhonda
Hecklers drowned out a commencement speech when the speaker said the federal investigation of the Sept. 11 attacks might threaten civil liberties. Janis Besler Heaphy, president and publisher of The Sacramento Bee, was speaking Saturday to 17,000 people at California State University-Sacramento. When she raised questions about racial profiling, limits on civil liberties, and the establishment of military tribunals, the audience interrupted by heckling, clapping, and stomping their feet for five minutes. Heaphy stopped speaking but said she plans to continue to voice her concerns about potential civil liberties violations.
Honestly, I can't remember any post where you expressed this concern. I mostly see you hurling insults on libertarian threads. Perhaps we'd have fewer flame wars if people like yourself argued for a more measured stance instead of telling people to take off the tinfoil hat and calling libertarians druggies. Just a thought.
You seem to believe that there's safety in numbers.
I'll be darned.
No of course not... you simply ridicule, condemn, chastise, and otherwise harrass anyone who even suggests that the actions of government should be subject to scrutiny.
Why anyone should get the idea that you are unconcerned, is beyond me.
I think that he means he is taller.
Do you read any of your posts at all?
And you know this how?
LOL
One would think that when the libertarians see who their bed fellows are, it would give them pause to think that maybe, just maybe, they may have the wrong take on a few issues.....NAH...not a chance.
Democrats and republicans are responsible for over 20,000 violations against the Constitution and the right to keep and bear arms.
Democrats and republicans say this: "the government can't be trusted, The People even have a 4th Amendment to protect themselves from us, but The People must trust total strangers and open their doors to them." Think discrimination laws.
Republicans and democrats expanded the national debt to over five-trillion dollars.
Democrats and republicans have committed by far the greatest number of violations against The People, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Value producers versus value destroyers. If civilization had to chose between business/science and government/bureaucracy, eliminating the other, which is the better choice?
The first thing civilization must have is business/science. Business/science can survive, even thrive without government/bureaucracy. Government/bureaucracy cannot survive without business/science. In general, business/science is the host and bureaucracy is a parasite.
Aside from that, keep valid government services that protect individual rights and property. Military defense, FBI, CIA, police and courts. With the rest of government striped away those few valid services would be several fold more efficient and effective than they are today.
http://www.csus.edu/commence/addresses.html
I don't have a candidate, don't expect one soon. I voted for Bush, because I was against Gore. My vote was expedient because the fascist oligarchy represented by the DNC has recieved too much strength from the corporate welfare pimps in the hill.
There is a difference between the parties, far more pronounced than in the past. The corporate welfare whores that buy the GOP are starkly different. I appreciate the damage that has been done to the DNC and when the GOP becomes too abusive, I wish the same destruction upon them. What I hope for is a voice of fiscal conservatism and constitutional construction at the federal level, as long as that is possible within the GOP, they have my support. The Libertarian party never did and most likely never will. Political parties are by far the most abusive labor organizations in America, to imagine that Libertarians would entertain such an oxymoron is as you say, stupid.
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