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No longer 'Just Say No': Bush says quit drugs and fight terrorism
AP | 12/14/01

Posted on 12/14/2001 10:15:53 AM PST by Native American Female Vet

No longer 'Just Say No': Bush says quit drugs and fight terrorism

By Associated Press, 12/14/2001 13:52

WASHINGTON (AP) President Bush said Friday that drug users aid terrorists who get their money from global trafficking in narcotics. ''If you quit drugs, you join the fight against terrorism,'' he said.

Bush offered a new argument in the fight against drugs while signing a bill to expand a federal anti-drug program over the next five years.

''Drug abuse threatens everything, everything that is best about our country,'' he said. ''It breaks the bond between parent and child. It turns productive citizens into addicts. It transforms schools into places of violence and chaos. It makes playgrounds into crime scenes. It supports gangs at home.''

''And abroad, it's important for Americans to know that trafficking of drugs finances the world of terror, sustaining terrorists,'' the president said. The administration has linked the al-Qaida network in Afghanistan to heroin trafficking. The terrorist group, led by Osama bin Laden, is suspected in the Sept. 11 attacks on America.

The bill signed by Bush expands the Drug-Free Communities Support Program, which helps community groups reduce illegal drugs. The program's budget is about $50 million, and would almost double in five years under the bill.

''Over time, drugs rob men, women and children of their dignity and of their character,'' Bush said.

''Illegal drugs are the enemies of ambition and hope and when we fight against drugs we fight for the souls of our fellow Americans.''


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To: M1991
Absolutely unbelievable. Is it really that difficult (seriously, is it?) for the powers that be to understand their unbelievably flawed logic? If there were a way to conduct an honest, wholly representative poll, does anybody think a majority of people would still support the WOD?
21 posted on 12/14/2001 10:32:56 AM PST by jeffyraven
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To: GOPJ
Do drug users realize they're subsidizing terrorist? How can we undermine drug profits, decrease drug usage, and help those hooked on drugs? Anyone?

You could eliminate the profit motive overnight by making drug use and possession legal. No black market, no promise of killer profit, no terrorist subsidation.

22 posted on 12/14/2001 10:33:00 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Native American Female Vet
Want to cut off funding for the terrorists and drug cartels? It's a simple solution, W. Legalize and choke off the black market. As a nice side benefit, legalization would save billions in law-enforcement funds that could better be used to find the real criminals, the ones that blow people up instead of the users of unpopular chemicals.
23 posted on 12/14/2001 10:33:00 AM PST by FreedomIsSimple
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To: M1991
The criminalization of drugs makes large scale terrorism possible.

In order to launder their drug profits of $8 to $12 billion per year in US dollars, the Columbian drug dealers took over the Colombia Black Market Peso Exchange (BMPE) and is now their sole source of funds. These drug dollars are made possible ONLY because of the criminalization of drugs.

The BMPE purchases these dollars at discount rates of about 30% and converts them into pesos in Columbia, effectively cleaning the money for the drug dealers. In turn the BMPE makes these billions of dollars available as a commodity for sale outside of any regulated financial system.

Increasingly, these dollars, which are a direct byproduct of the WOD, are being funneled to terrorists looking for anonymous ways of acquire large reserves of US dollars. (During their trial in NY, prosecutors proved that the people responsible for the first World Trade Center bombing received funds from a BMPE broker working out of Venezuela.)

Without the billions of dollars in illicit funds generated every year by the criminalization of drugs, terrorism would not have access to the hundreds of millions of dollars it needs to obtain anonymously. While they would still be able to obtain some money from other sources, it would be enormously more expensive for them, and it would be far far easier for US intelligence to trace its source.

The WOD has produced not one positive effect in this country or the world. It has expanded our government, raised our taxes, imprisoned millions of non-violent offenders on our dime, trampled our constitution, left thousands dead, and it has provided a market for vast networks of criminal enterprises whose reach is constantly expanding beyond the drug business.

And you can still buy any drug in America anytime you want to.

24 posted on 12/14/2001 10:33:07 AM PST by dead
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To: Native American Female Vet
Sigh. Traffic in booze funded organized crime, the terrorists of the 20s and 30s. I'm glad Bush in in the Oval Office rather than Gore, but he needs to review that famous Santayana quote.
25 posted on 12/14/2001 10:33:30 AM PST by jejones
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To: GOPJ
Legalize it and let Wal-Mart and Safeway sort out market share.

That way, the money doesn't go to foreign terrorist it stays right here. It would give farmers a couple of more cash crops as well.

Additionally, prices would fall dramatically so addicts most likely wouldn't need to bash old ladies over the head to pay for a days high.

Additionally, we could get rid of a couple of wholly Unconstitutional Federal Agencies and get the border patrol back to it's job of shipping illegals out of this country instead of running around trying to stop something they never have and never will be able to stop.

Just a few thoughts.

L

26 posted on 12/14/2001 10:34:24 AM PST by Lurker
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To: jeffyraven
If there were a way to conduct an honest, wholly representative poll, does anybody think a majority of people would still support the WOD?

Absolutely, YES! There's a REASON that Libertarians can't get elected to any significant position of power. The American people do not want drugs and prostitution legalized! Get it through your thick libertoid skulls! The LP is a JOKE.
27 posted on 12/14/2001 10:34:43 AM PST by What about Bob?
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To: tex-oma
Curious, too, that we've reduced most of Afghanistan to smaller bits of rubble, yet the poppy fields got planted just in time, and no bombs have gone near them.

Oh, puh-leeze. I'm strongly against the drug war, but we hardly bombed "most of Afghanistan" - and the Taliban was the main reason poppies were not being planted, and they're gone. That is a moronic assertion on your part - instead, it shows the resilance of the suppliers of a black-market product, not any latent heroin conspiracy on the part of the Bush Administration. Let's keep the critiques sane...

29 posted on 12/14/2001 10:36:12 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: What about Bob?
I don't think opposition to the War on Some Drugs is solely (or even largely) the province of Libertarians. Americans of ALL stripes have been waking up for (at least) the past five years to the idiocy and futility of the "War." And I suspect that one of the Libertarians' biggest electoral problems is that successful politics encompasses the art of compromise and organization, and Libertarians tend not to be too skilled at either.
30 posted on 12/14/2001 10:37:58 AM PST by jeffyraven
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To: M1991
Politicians and police depend on illegal drug trafficing. Follow the money.

I agree drug money corrupts - but I find tex-oma's assertion nuts. The United States was getting ready to give MORE money to the Taliban prior to 9/11 to help them in their efforts to eradicate opium poppy cultivation. And it's a rather simple concept that once the Taliban was gone, poppy cultivation would resume like so many other activities formerly banned by the Taliban. It doesn't take any dark government conspiracy to accomplish that...

31 posted on 12/14/2001 10:38:40 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
You could eliminate the profit motive overnight by making drug use and possession legal.

You forgot make them legal to sell. Decriminalization is a start, but not nearly good enough. If we want to get rid of the black market that kills or bribes everyone in their way, we need legitimate, tax-paying businesses to produce and sell the product.

The free market works, folks. Gas stations and the local Wal-Mart don't kill their competitors in turf wars.
32 posted on 12/14/2001 10:38:45 AM PST by FreedomIsSimple
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To: jeffyraven
I think the War on Drugs can stand to be reformed in a variety of ways because there are no doubt, lots of problems with drug prohibition. Legalizing drugs is not the answer, and never will be. Besides, the point is moot. Drugs will never be legal in America. Never. Move along people..
33 posted on 12/14/2001 10:39:56 AM PST by What about Bob?
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To: Native American Female Vet
...it's important for Americans to know that trafficking of drugs finances the world of terror, sustaining terrorists...

Gee, George, I wonder why drug trafficking is so profitable for terrorists. Could it be that the illegality of drugs makes it such a profitable enterprise for thugs? Is that why they don't traffic in legal substances like alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine? And aren't you the same George W. Bush that awarded the Taliban $45 million earlier this year for destroying poppy fields?

35 posted on 12/14/2001 10:41:18 AM PST by ravinson
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To: What about Bob?
The American people do not want drugs and prostitution legalized!

Does the phrase "tyranny of the majority" mean anything to you? If not, read the Federalist Papers pronto.

36 posted on 12/14/2001 10:41:52 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: What about Bob?
If not legalization, then, what are the best ways to reform? And why are you so certain in your never?
37 posted on 12/14/2001 10:42:21 AM PST by jeffyraven
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To: What about Bob?
You're right saying that the majority would suport the War on Drugs. They also support the War on Poverty, which is entering its 5th decade isn't it? What if we called these Wars the Enending Trillion Dollar War on Drugs (or Poverty)? Do you think the same majority would support them then?

Americans are quite schizo on this subject. Recall the drugged out honorary FBI agent (or whatever was his honorary title) Elvis Presley! Recall our prescription drugged children. Recall Prozac and Viagra! It's time to change tactics.

38 posted on 12/14/2001 10:43:51 AM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: What about Bob?
I'd vote for a Liberitarian if I thought he/she would end the corruption in out govt. But the American sheeple are to ignorant, believing that the govt. 'protects them' from 'evil drug users'. What a crazy world we live in. Again, as I've said in may posts on this topic: Man made alcohol, God made MJ. Who do you trust?
39 posted on 12/14/2001 10:44:30 AM PST by Pern
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To: What about Bob?
he LP is a JOKE

Haven't you been banned yet, you scumbag disruptor? You only slither out of your hiding place to insult Libertarians. Why don't you slither back and stay there?
40 posted on 12/14/2001 10:44:32 AM PST by FreedomIsSimple
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