Judge: Documents Must Be Turned Over to Grand Jury Investigating Clinton Pardon

AP News ^ | Published: Dec 14, 2001

[Donald Stone]

The ABA considers self-policing, self-protection !!!!!

Just like the Blue Wall of Silence !!!!!!!

[eureka!]

Re#37 W has pretty much kept his word so far and will in the future. There is lots of time ahead...

[The Real Deal]

Hang Rich and Clintoon, and hang um' high.

[Donald Stone]

I wonder every day how some of these idiots passed the bar.

Me Too !!!!!!

LOL !!!!!!

I've had extensive personal dealings with some of the most high priced, politically well connected lawyers both, Republican & Democrat in Maryland, Washington D.C. and Florida and the ones that are the most corrupt scream the loudest when you ask the federal judges to hold them accountable for their conduct.

Lawyering in Washington D.C. is not so much about smarts or a level playing field, it's simply all about political connections that are used to circumvent the "RULE of LAW" and the CONSTITUTION

[rottweiller_inc]

This sets a frightening precedent that this judge had no right to set. I question the judge's understanding of the role of lawyers in business.

frightening to whom? out of control trial lawers?

[Landru]

"I've had extensive personal dealings with some of the most high priced, politically well connected lawyers both, Republican & Democrat in Maryland, Washington D.C. and Florida and the ones that are the most corrupt scream the loudest when you ask the federal judges to hold them accountable for their conduct."

Your statement here is nothing but the Gospel's Truth, Don.

...under the *fancy* veneer is the cheapest of particle board with these bloodsuckers.

[connectthedots]

Did you know that there is an excellent argument that "the practice of law" is a basis constitutional right rather than merely a privilege? If so, anyone could practice law without having to go to law school or some other formal training program. It would appear that at most, a state could require the passing of some sort of examination such as a bar exam based on a states right to regulate business. Because the right to have legal representation is a right under the constitution, it is even posible that a person could hire someone to represent them in court even if that "counselor" was not a member of a bar association. A key case in this regard is Hampton v. Virginia Board of Election Officials, a 1966 USSC case that basically stated that once the constitution grants a franchise, the government cannot impose any requirement that would hinder the excercise of that right.

Lest some claim that my argument cannot possibly hold up, I would point out that there are some relatively recent USSC cases which state that the USSC has never been called upon to determine whether "the practice of law is a basic constitutional right or just a privilege". That being the case, if a requirement to be a member of the bar in order to represent another party was ever challenged in a U.S. District Court, the USSC would be almost compelled to accept review of a rejection of that argument in a U.S. District Court case.

[connectthedots]

I wonder every day how some of these idiots passed the bar.

Anyone with half a brain can learn enough about the law in three months to pass the bar exam.

[connectthedots]

To:FreePaul

Your analysis is the correct one, although as a lawyer I kinda wish you could have used a little more upscale example for comparison.

At least he didn't use the operator of a honey wagon as his example.

[stands2reason]

I was just thinking that. There should be no reason anyone should be able to hire a lawyer to act as some sort of "agent" so as to cover improprieties by lawyer-client privilege.

[stands2reason]

You gotta point there. At the risk of being called a "slobbering Bush cheerleader no better than any one of the Clintonistas", I will at least refrain from maligning Bush until I catch him in a lie. I guess in answer to those paleo and libertarian idealists I would say--As a student of human nature, I know idealism rarely succeeds. Changing the way most of Americans think won't happen overnight, and if you try to force it in a free country it will backfire. If you want your ideals to take over America, you need to steal the playbook of the socialists. They were very successful in this country--they slowly turned up the heat until our frog was cooked. And that frog sat there and took it.

[monkeyshine]

Clinton said in February that he granted the Rich pardon based "on the merits as I saw them, and I take full responsibility for it."

merit \Mer"it\, v. i. To acquire desert; to gain value; to receive benefit; to profit. [Obs.] --Beau. & Fl.

[eureka!]

My thoughts exactly. Incrementalism works both ways and takes time. Until shown otherwise, I am trusting W--all the while understanding he will need to choose his battles, especially with childish b*ttwipes like Dasshole and Leahy....