[dpwiener]

The Roman civilization took over 500 years to fall. Western civilization has been at it for close to that long now. And IMO we are headed in the same direction. ... the human will tends toward destruction.

I think the human will tends towards achievement, not destruction. So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, although perhaps we can at least agree to hope that I'm proven right and you're proven wrong.

[ArGee]

I think the human will tends towards achievement, not destruction. So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, although perhaps we can at least agree to hope that I'm proven right and you're proven wrong.

I have one Hope, and He is enough.

Shalom.