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THE CONNECTION BETWEEN CONTRACEPTION AND ABORTION
Priests for Life, Canada ^ | Professor Janet E. Smith, PhD

Posted on 12/13/2001 10:02:59 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM

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To: discostu
Very few people ever have or ever will change their mind.

Do not project your own refusal to change onto others. If this were the case, I would not be wasting my time on FR. I spend my time here because pro-life apologetics and Catholic/Christian apologetics works. It wins souls. That is my sole reason for being here, to win souls for Christ and win hearts and minds and bring them into the light of the Culture of Life.

Just last night one wonderful soul wrote me via Freepmail, asking how she could get off the pill, partly as a result of this thread and others like it, and relating to me her desire to grow deeper in her faith.

My wife and I used to use the pill.

I never took my faith seriously before 1991, yet I am fundamentally changed now from the person I was 10 years ago.

Souls are changing and being transformed all around you. Your refusal to see it or admit it is a self defense mechanism, for to open ones eyes to truth is to challenge one to change, repent, and believe.

For some it is easier to keep their eyes closed tight and their heart in a strong box removed from faith, and deny that others are indeed changing all around them.

141 posted on 12/14/2001 6:55:06 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: proud2bRC
“It had nothing to do with humanity, it couldn't have; it was a mass...”

---a reference to the Holocaust by Franz Stangl, Nazi commandant of extermination camps in Sobibor (March, 1942 -September, 1942) and Treblinka (September, 1942 - August, 1943).

Interviewed by Gitta Sereny in 1970, Stangl's comments later appeared in the book Into That Darkness: An Examination of Conscience (1983).

142 posted on 12/16/2001 6:41:39 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: dpwiener
I think the human will tends towards achievement, not destruction. So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, although perhaps we can at least agree to hope that I'm proven right and you're proven wrong.

I have one Hope, and He is enough.

Shalom.

143 posted on 12/17/2001 5:15:08 AM PST by ArGee
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To: Proud2BAmerican
What I'd like to see is V4F (veto for fathers) posited against C4M (choice for men). Both expose the incongruity of responsibilities without rights for fathers. While I am 100% in favor of V4F, I support getting the C4M argument out there, to expose this incongruity.

I'm in favor of a post-Roe Human Life Amendment. En route to that, there will need to be incremental measures put into place by law. A ban on partial-birth abortion, parental consent for minors, defunding Planned Parenthood, keeping the proposed "clinics" out of public schools...and V4F.

V4F is, in tandem with science and sympathy in favor of the prenatal baby. V4F offers a visible protagonist (the father), who is closely connected to the situation at hand.

It obliterates the "every child a wanted child" argument. Under V4F, every child is wanted, and supported, by the father.

It blows the myth of abortion being a "woman's issue". So long as pro-lifers are silent on V4F, abortion will be considered by the public-at-large a "woman's issue". As such, on some level, people will say, "Well, so long as abortions aren't forced..."

Many, many women subscribe to the NIMBY principle, saying that they would not personally have an abortion, but wouldn't stop others...V4F exposes the gyncentricity of this position.

I would pose to pro-lifers the following: the pro-life movement has failed in the courts and legislatures for 30 years. They have failed to endorse or even acknowledge the V4F position for 30 years. Society has paid the price for this twinned set of failures, and they are twinned. Abortion will never end, and a Human Life Amendment will never come about, until V4F is endorsed by the pro-life movement. It takes two to make a baby, but so long as pro-lifers are silent about one of those two, the father, it will appear that only one person was involved in conception, and that therefor the product of conception is the province of one person only. Keeping fathers/V4F out of the picture undermines the personhood of the prenatal baby for these reasons. It is not baby's rights vs. father's rights. It is that after 30 years of colossal failure by the pro-life movement's no-father approach, the baby's personhood needs to be endorsed by a visible, immediately involved protagonist: the father.

Pro-lifers refuse to engage this issue. All manner of red herrings are thrown out: well, the father was probably some irresponsible jerk, or somehow V4F would lead to C4M (when actually they are opposites), etc. etc.

Pro-lifers refuse to wake-up and endorse this issue.

And this is why we fail.

144 posted on 12/20/2001 5:01:40 AM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: proud2bRC; all
Just thought you might like to know what planned parenthood is up to. The name of this link [and I swear I couldn't make this stuff up] is Cover my pills!

From the link...

Contraception is a basic health need for women. Yet today many private health insurance plans in the U.S. do not cover contraceptives.

But it doesn't have to be this way. WHAT'S NEW Roberta Riley & Jennifer Erickson have been named Ms. Women of the Year... for convincing a federal court that birth control is a medical necessity and mobilizing a movement for prescription coverage

You have to love them...they never rest! =)

145 posted on 01/16/2002 8:00:35 PM PST by JMJ333
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