**Bush invokes executive privilege to keep Justice Department documents secret**

AP ^ | 12-13-01 | John Solomon

[Oldeconomybuyer]

06:57 PST WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush has invoked executive privilege for the first time to keep Congress from seeing documents of prosecutors' decision-making in cases ranging from decades-old Boston murders to the Clinton-era fund-raising probe, The Associated Press has learned.

[carenot]

Seems to me Ashcroft is doing the same thing Reno did.

[carenot]

Homeland boys soon.

Don't ya mean Heartland?

[carenot]

Naw, I will just stay home.

Unless they have a none of the above box.

[exodus]

"...What about Clinton, Luis?
Do you believe that Bush will prosecute Clinton?
Or do you share my belief that Clinton will walk?

# 200 by exodus
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To: exodus
I seem to remember Clinton being impeached, then being allowed to walk.

Must have been another one of those things that you did not have any knowledge of yesterday--like the fact that President Bush had instilled a National Emergency, that Congress had given him the go ahead to use force, that the War Powers Act is one of those legislations that Congress can pass--and that today you are an expert on, or that Bush has not been in office a year yet.

Facts do not seem to matter much to you.

I seem to lack two things that you posses; 1) A crystal ball, and 2) An axe to grind and an agenda to help the Democrats elect one of their own in 2004.

The friend of my enemy is my enemy.
# 229 by Luis Gonzalez
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"Friend of my enemy?"
Idiot.
Your biggest enemy is your un-informed mind.

For someone who insists on absolute accuracy, you sure do mess up a lot.
Apparently you didn't pay attention during the impeachment, Luis.

Impeachment by the House only accused the President of violating his office.
If the Senate had convicted Clinton of violating his office,
he would still be a free man, just no longer President.

The Senate "trial" was not a legal trial.
It was an attempt to remove Clinton from power
so that he would no longer have the protection of the office.
After conviction in the Senate,
Clinton would have been subject to criminal prosecution
by the Justice Department for his crimes against persons,
and for his crimes against the country.

Remember, Luis?
Everyone said,
"When Bush takes office, Clinton's going to pay!!"

It's been a year now, and Clinton's still a free man.

[KirkandBurke]

George Jefferson Walker Clinton?

[carenot]

Hey!

Who y'all callin' a mother?

[KirkandBurke]

Ever chase down that funny little thing about how Asa Hutchinson was a real dogged prosecutor back in Arkansas, except when it came to Barry Seals? And didn't Seals say that he had video of GW flying in his plane?

Pay no attention to the men behind the curtain.

[carenot]

He has been convicted of squat, Luis.

Because of people that believes he could do no wrong.

Sorta' like you seem to believe Bush can do no wrong.

Is it true that you believe everything President Bush says?

[desertcry]

"Why?" To keep the focus of the American people, and the world on the war against terrorism. The clinton scandal would be a great distruction from the main agenda, TERRORISM. The clinton legacy will take care of itself.

[Native American Female Vet]

"What in the Constitution supports Congress' claim that it has an oversight role in criminal prosecutions?"

Article 1 section 1 says

"All legislative Powers herin granted shall be vested in a Congress Of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives

Article 1 Section 7 says

"Every Bill which shall be passed the House of Representatives and the Senate shall before it becomes a law, , be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his objections to the House in which it shall have originated.

Article 1 Section 8 says

"Congress shall have power to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the forgoing Powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States in any Department o Officer thereof

Article 2 Sec 1 says

"Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following oath of Affirmation: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the Unites States.

Article 3 Sec.2 says

"In all cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls and those in which a State shall be a party, the supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appelate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make."

So, Congress makes the laws and sends them to the President. If he does not like them he sends them back.

Congress can make laws to carry out the Execution of laws and anything they forgot and for execution of the laws for any Department or Officer.

Congress makes laws. The president takes an oath to faithfully execute the Office of the Presdient. The Surpeme Court reviews for facts

Now since Congress makes the laws, the President executes them, and the Supreme Court reviews them, how is Congress going to know what is "necessary and proper for carrying into Execution" with knowing whats going on? Hmmmm... it may have something to do with The House Government Reform and Overisight committie.

Now can you show me what in the Constitution supports your claim that Congress does not have an oversight role in criminal prosecutions?

[jammer]

Let me preface by saying I find you and your arguments repugnant. Having said that, I find that your questions about the Visa violations are excellent and cannot be honestly answered except to the detriment of your adversaries.

[Luis Gonzalez]

MY uninformed mind?

You spent all day yesterday asking me for sources (which I gave you) for my information, I had to inform you of the Presidential State of Emergency decree issued on 9/14 (that you did not know existed), pointed you to the War Powers Act of 1973 (that you didn't know existed), and was now just witness to another poster pointing out that the Tenth Amendment to the constitution gives power to the Congress that you claimed they didn't have, and you have the balls to call me an idiot?

Then you argue that the president has no reason to repel an invasion, because there has been no invasion? You crap on the bodies of the dead and rotting under the rubble of the towers and deem them insignificant, and not worthy of revenge.

You are sickening, and an imbecile.

[ChaseR]

PS - everyone repeat after me -
"Smoke and mirrors - smoke and mirrors - smoke and..."

159 posted on 12/13/01 9:54 AM Pacific by Jefferson Adams

Exactly!!

[Native American Female Vet]

Bush is trying to set precident for Presidents to withold evidence, just as Clinton set a precident a President can lie under oath and not be removed from office.

[ChaseR]

I second Gonzalez's - on the mark post to exodus!

[carenot]

Agree.

I wonder how big the voter turnout would be if we had a -NONE OF THE ABOVE- vote?

How about a -KICK 'EM ALL OUT VOTE?

They,(meaning OUR GOVERNMENT) won't give us a choice.

[ChaseR]

(and very unfortunately-I have to second Female Vet's post too) - -

:(

[ChaseR]

thanks for your post #185 - bttt

[bayourod]

" President Bush invoked executive privilege for the first time Thursday to keep Congress from seeing documents of prosecutors' decision-making...

Only the decision making process is being kept privileded, not any of the facts of the case upon which the decisions were based.

No evidence is being denied Congress, simply the thought processes of the prosecutors in deciding whether to ask for the appointment of independant counsel.

Why can't you tin foilers and Bush haters accept the obvious, straight forward reason given by the President? Attorneys need to feel free to express their candid opinions without fear that their advice will be flashed all over the network news programs.

[bayourod]

" President Bush invoked executive privilege for the first time Thursday to keep Congress from seeing documents of prosecutors' decision-making"

No "evidence" is being witheld. See post 259.