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Rep. Issa (R-CA) Among Targets of Jewish Terrorist Bomb Plot (mine)
Reuters via Yahoo ^ | Wednesday December 12 8:03 PM ET | Sarah Tippit

Posted on 12/13/2001 1:50:03 AM PST by newzjunkey

Wednesday December 12 8:03 PM ET

Jewish Militant Arrested in L.A. Bomb Plot
By Sarah Tippit

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The chairman of the militant [TERRORST] Jewish Defense League and a follower have been arrested in an alleged plot to bomb a major Los Angeles area mosque and the office of a Republican California congressman, among other targets, federal officials said on Wednesday.

JDL Chairman Irv Rubin, 56 and group member Earl Krugel, 59, who were arrested on Tuesday night, were charged with conspiring to bomb the King Fahd Mosque in the Los Angeles suburb of Culver City, the offices of Southern California Congressman Darrell Issa, who is the [CHRISTIAN] grandson of Lebanese immigrants and the Muslim Public Affairs Council office in the Mid-Wilshire section of Los Angeles.

``Last night's arrests confirm that we meant what we said: if you cross the line from expressing your political or religious beliefs to committing violent acts against those whose beliefs are offensive to you, then you will likely end up facing federal prosecution on charges carrying extremely long prison sentences,'' said John Gordon, U.S. Attorney for California's Central District.

The two men face one count each of conspiring to destroy a building by means of an explosive and possession of a destructive device during and in relation to a violent crime, according to an affidavit filed in the U.S. District Court in Los Angeles. If convicted each could face 35 years in prison.

THIRD MAN TURNED INFORMER

Officials said the two men plotted with a third, a former JDL member, to make and detonate bombs. The third man, who was approached last October told authorities of the plot, officials said. No bombs were detonated and no one was injured.

A complaint against the two men said that Krugel told the informant the bombings were necessary because ``Arabs need a wake-up call.'' At that meeting Rubin added that the JDL needs to let people know they are ``alive in a militant way.''

The complaint added that the unnamed source was asked to photograph the Muslim Public Affairs Council and help purchase bomb components and that Krugel said he would build the bombs at his residence. The source would then place the explosives.

When the source asked Krugel how the bombings might affect human beings, he allegedly said: ``C'est la vie,'' Gordon said.

``The affidavit makes clear their primary motivation was to ... terrorize Muslims or Arabs and alert the national if not the local community to JDL's commitment to attack those targets,'' Gordon said.

The source told officials he was led to believe one bomb was to be placed in the offices of the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC). He arrived at Jerry's Famous Deli in the Los Angeles suburb of Encino with 5 pounds (2.2 kg) of explosive powder in his vehicle ready for delivery to Krugel.

The MPAC, which also has a Washington, D.C. office, describes itself as a public service agency working for the civil rights of American Muslims.

TARGETS CHANGED AT MEETING

However at the deli meeting the two men said they had changed their targets and bombs were instead to be placed at the Culver City mosque and Issa's office. Gordon said he believed Issa, a Christian American of Lebanese descent, was targeted because he made statements the JDL disagreed with.

There was no specific time frame for when the bombs were to be detonated, however they were expected to be set off ``in the near future. Things were fluid,'' Gordon said.

Issa was not made aware of the plot because authorities only learned of it moments before the arrests, Gordon said.

Because the informant wore a wire when he met the two men, federal agents followed and arrested them a short time later. A search of Krugel's Reseda, California house turned up bomb making materials including caps, pipes and fuses and a dozen firearms. The bombs were adequate to cause ``considerable damage'' to the areas where they were to be detonated and possibly death to people in the vicinity, officials said.

Issa, who appeared at a press conference Wednesday flanked by several Jewish congressmen, thanked law enforcement officials for their quick action and said he had ``no way of knowing'' why he had been a target of the JDL. ``Like most Americans, my hope and wish is for a peaceful resolution to the Middle East conflict. Unfortunately, there are extremists on both sides who oppose a peaceful resolution.''

``I describe myself as an American,'' he said, when asked about his ethnic background. ``I'm an American, somebody who served in the military both as an enlisted man and as an officer, who does have an Arabic surname.'' He said he had grown up in a Jewish neighborhood.

Several Jewish congressmen stood by him and denounced the Jewish Defense League and urged prosecution of the suspects.

``This is a small group of wackos,'' said Rep. Gary Ackerman, a New York Democrat. ``They get more attention than they deserve but they can't get more punishment than they deserve.''

The JDL was founded by Rabbi Meir Kahane, who was assassinated in New York in 1990. Prior to his death he founded the extremist KACH party in Israel which advocated the expulsion of all Arabs from Israel and Israeli-occupied territories. The party was later outlawed.


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To: Illbay
What makes me more mad, then the evil bastard who plotted up to blow up the mosque, are the enablers who rationalize or defend him. Or say the story shouldn't be reported.

OBL'S apologists have quite rightly been criticized on this board, and Rubin's defenders are fair game too!

21 posted on 12/13/2001 4:30:56 AM PST by bulldog905
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To: newzjunkey
I'm tired of all slander on these threads. You're here DEFENDING a would-be anti-American terrorists against a representative of your own government because you need to paint me as anti-semetic. It's probably a label better used for youself

It does get tedious on these threads doesn't it.

24 posted on 12/13/2001 5:09:05 AM PST by horsewhispersc
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To: newzjunkey; Illbay; Phil V.; plastic
The bottom line as I see it, is, there are fanatics and terrorists in every religion. They're all equally as dangerous.

Yes but SOME religions seem to have many more 'fanatics' than others, and are more 'adept' at things like flying, hijacking, blowing up huge buildings, killing public figures (Bobby Kennedy) - and on and on. Let's look at the 'results.'

Irv Rubin - 0

Islamic crazies - 3000 and UP.

Oh and course there is McVeigh - how many did he kill - 68 or so?

26 posted on 12/13/2001 5:14:51 AM PST by veronica
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To: plastic
And the ADL applaud of the FBI for the arrest.

As opposed to the Palestinians and Egyptians who applauded on 9-11.

27 posted on 12/13/2001 5:16:42 AM PST by veronica
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To: one_particular_harbour
C'mon Ronnie...

AND my name is not 'Ronnie'...my name is not even veronica...that's my 'nom de plume'...you don't know what my name is.....have a nice day. (-:

29 posted on 12/13/2001 5:23:09 AM PST by veronica
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To: candyman34
but in truth they are the source of all the troubles in the middle east and america

Yeah, the Jews flew those planes into the WTC and Pentagon, didn't they?

31 posted on 12/13/2001 5:26:52 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: newzjunkey
In case you missed it::

Do you believe 'Jihad Darrell' (Issa)?

Not that it would excuse Rubin - IF he is guilty but interesting nevertheless...

32 posted on 12/13/2001 5:27:21 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
You have been very vocal on this subject since yesterday but unless I've missed a post I have yet to see a time where you say that the actions of Mr. Rubin, Mr. Krugel and the JDL were wrong. Do you have an opinion on that?
33 posted on 12/13/2001 5:27:56 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: veronica
Better yet:

Rubin = 0
domestic .50 rifles = 0
Anti-abortionist Waagner = 0
Islamic terrorists in the US = 3000+

Let's roll.

35 posted on 12/13/2001 5:30:10 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Non-Sequitur
The ADL does more damage than the JDL. The JDL is a fringe group, much like a Jewish militia group. This was probably a case of a big-mouth talking big rather than a real terrorist.

Of course the militia groups will be here soon with evidence that Rubin was framed.

36 posted on 12/13/2001 5:32:08 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: veronica; newzjunkey; Illbay; Phil V.; plastic
I got news, folks. Both the ADL AND the FBI have been doing everything in their power to set Irv Rubin up for years. They nearly succeeded once because he made a remark, and for NO OTHER REASON. It is pretty standard knowledge that the JDL is a DEFENSE oriented organization, and it is to the ADL's shame that thay have taken charge of the *holocaust* industry*, have become mouthpieces for Yasser Arafat and other liberal b@st@rds in this country. But I have a thang here that bothers me...ALOT! The first thing being, that the JDL backs the Lebanese Christians, so to plot to destroy a congressman's office is the most illogical move the JDL could possibly make. It doesn't make sense, and if Irv Ruben has done anything throughout the years, he has made sense, and he is NOT a terrorist.
Secondly, this *third* person says these plots were begun back in October. Excuse me, but if that was true, IT WOULD HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED. That is not the JDL's MO. And anyone who knows anything at all about it, knows they have never operated that way. For me to believe this, this *third* person had better have the credibility of G-d Himself.
THIS is Jewish scapegoat time. Obviously, guilty or not MATTERS not as is proven by your unrestrained ignorance of the JDL, and your virulent glee that the Jews, ANY Jews have been accused of anything. So far, they have a thought crime. But you people know hate, don't you? It oozes from your vitriol about all Jews, not just the JDL.
37 posted on 12/13/2001 5:43:57 AM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: plastic
What's your name and rank at the IDF?

LOL. I am not an agent or spy or anything as romantic as that. Just a boring little worker bee. Now if I was a bit younger and had it all to do over again....(-: I think I'd look sharp in a US army uniform with a few shiny medals on it.

38 posted on 12/13/2001 5:46:39 AM PST by veronica
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
Bump.
39 posted on 12/13/2001 5:47:57 AM PST by veronica
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To: Cachelot
Bump.
40 posted on 12/13/2001 5:48:55 AM PST by veronica
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